Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Australian Ambassadors to Kazakhstan

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The result was merge and redirect to List of Australian Ambassadors to Russia § Ambassadors to Kazakhstan. This solves all the problems outlined in the discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Australian Ambassadors to Kazakhstan[edit]

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fails WP:GNG. the sources merely confirm the ambassador held the position and mostly the have been based in Moscow. Australia only operated an embassy for 4 years so basing an article on 2 non notable ambassadors in a 4 year period is stretching it. Let's see if the usual suspect turns up with WP:MUSTBESOURCES argument. LibStar (talk) 15:54, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per LISTN, "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.". While Ambassadors per se themselves are notable, this list provides unique information, given its niche position in history books. Thus, it does fulfil a recognised information purpose. Xender Lourdes (talk) 20:13, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Many have been deleted. LibStar (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Also Per LISTN above, it is clear that an informational purpose is fulfilled in this page, as it is with others. The nominator seems to be confusing the point of lists versus actual biography pages for individual ambassadors.Siegfried Nugent (talk) 05:57, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

striking vote as user has changed to delete. LibStar (talk) 07:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

as per LISTN, One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources there is no such coverage reflecting this . Many of the sources referring to the ambassador based in Moscow do not even mention Kazakhstan. LibStar (talk) 08:07, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In this case I would be prepared to support deletion and merge with the info on this page merged into the List of Australian Ambassadors to Russia page. That seems to be the best course of action in this case, and could be easily combined there.Siegfried Nugent (talk) 09:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 01:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect per Grahamec. This is just another Ambassador of Country X to Country Y cookie-cutter article and all that would be required is a note at List of Australian Ambassadors to Russia, and that would not even really amount to a merge. Reyk _YO! 07:38, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e^talk 17:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Now changing my vote to a speedy Delete. I have now merged the relevant information worth keeping into the List of Australian Ambassadors to Russia. This page is now unnecessary.Siegfried Nugent (talk) 05:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a list article adequately supported by references. If content was merged to List of Australian Ambassadors to Russia then deleting will be a copyright infringement, so history would need to be kept. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

references are all primary sources. LibStar (talk) 09:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 ^talk 01:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and Redirect as there's enough to suggest this, there's nothing particularly outstanding to suggest currently better improvements and the other article is sufficient to link instead of having a separate article. SwisterTwister talk 18:06, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Finish Merge to List of Australian Ambassadors to Russia § Ambassadors to Kazakhstan, which will improve the target article and benefit Wikipedia's readers with verified content. A merge was essentially already performed by Siegfried Nugent (diff), but for whatever reason, the Ambassadors resident in Moscow, Russia section was not merged. At the least, this should be redirected, to enable merge completion by retaining content in the page's Revision history. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:51, 19 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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