Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 99% Invisible episodes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. I see a consensus to Keep this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of 99% Invisible episodes[edit]

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Procedural nomination per this discussion at RfD. Article was redirected after PROD, but no content was merged nor mentioned at the target. There was also an unsuccessful attempt at WP:BLARring the page in 2020. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nomination and WP:LISTN. Nothing to suggest any of these are notable, or as a group, as generally podcast episodes aren't. The external link provided contains all this anyhow. Ajf773 (talk) 10:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ajf773, I'm curious where you get the idea that a list of podcast episodes isn't generally considered notable. I expect readers of the encyclopedia would likely disagree. Is there a policy or previous consensus specific to this. ~Kvng (talk) 14:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kvng: there was a RfC on this: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Podcasting/Archive_12#RfC_on_podcast_episode_lists. However, the discussion had low participation. I've intended on opening a new RfC, but I haven't gotten around to it. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:17, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link. It looks like the only thing accomplished in this discussion was a determination that if a list of episodes fits in the article, that's where it should go. In this case, the list is clearly too large so we have to rely on WP:LISTN which, by my reading, would indicate a list of episodes for any podcast that is distributed on the standard platforms is notable. You find these lists on Spotify Apple, Google, etc. which I would consider reliable sources for this purpose (not necessarily for the information in the lists but for the fact that a list of episodes is something important to report for these podcasts). One could make a WP:NOTDIRECTORY argument but I don't have a clear understanding of how WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:LISTN interact. I'm still undecided but that's enough Wikilawyering for me today. ~Kvng (talk) 14:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:16, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, seems to meet WP:NLIST's general guideline [1][2][3]. Also please note that even beyond that, per NLIST, Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability, and this is an informational list that is split out of the main article. I don't see a need to delete this list. —siro χ o 04:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, agree with siroχo's argument Newystats (talk) 06:37, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I lean toward delete for most podcast episode lists, especially if the podcast doesn't have an overarching storyline. Personally, I've interpreted WP:NLIST to mean that reliable secondary sources have to actually discuss the episodes as a group rather than simply listing them like Apple Podcasts or other syndicating platforms. There are some sources that do this for 99% Invisible such as Podcast Review and Timeout and there are others that comment on the number of episodes such as this piece in The Guardian. There are also individual episodes that appear to be independently notable. For instance, the episode about missing-children milk cartons called "Milk Carton Kids" has coverage in The A.V. Club, The Atlantic, and PodCastle.There are various other episodes that have also received coverage such as "The Sound of the Artificial World" in Slate, "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" in The A.V. Club, and "The Known Unknown" in IndieWire. However, I'm not sure if two sources discussing the episodes as a group, one episode that is arguably notable, and a few other sources about individual episodes is really enough to warrant a list for over 500 episodes. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Meets WP:LISTN per my rambling above and examples provided by Siroxo. ~Kvng (talk) 04:29, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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