Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liisa Ladouceur

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The result was no consensus. no consensus - original close vacated, and AfD re-closed as "no consensus" per DRV ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 01:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Liisa Ladouceur

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WP:BLP of a writer, which states that she wrote two books and sources that to the directory pages for her two books on WorldCat, while providing exactly none of the reliable source coverage that it takes to get a writer over either WP:CREATIVE or WP:GNG. And after those two WorldCat citations, the entire rest of the article contains biographical and career detail that cites no sources at all for any of it. (Her own website confirms it all, but that's a primary source which cannot count toward the notability test.) The fact that her books are listed in a directory that aspires to list all books that have ever been published doesn't satisfy our inclusion criteria in and of itself — media coverage about her is what it takes to get a writer into Wikipedia. I'm willing to withdraw this if the sourcing can be beefed up significantly, and no prejudice against recreation in the future if a better version can be written at that time — but this version, as written, does not meet our inclusion standards. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 06:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (push) @ 13:11, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. THe subject appears to have had some media exposure, but neither that nor her writing seems to have attracted the level of independent coverage necessary to meet our notability guidelines. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:01, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
• keep Important to the 80s-90s Toronto scene, founded Ninth Wave, everyone knew her. More recently she's been on DNTO and Stromboulopoulos. Article is crappy as is, but subject is notable as far as Canadians/Torontonians go, dunno why you assert you can't source an article on her. PS Bearcat, please tag your AfD nom edits. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Simple assertions of importance are not a notability freebie if reliable source coverage can't be located to support it. It's not as though this is somebody I've never heard of — I've lived in Toronto since the 1990s, and read both Chart and Eye Weekly for years — but a person doesn't get to keep an unsourced article on Wikipedia just because I've personally heard of her. And I did a news database search on her to see if the sourcing could be beefed up before nominating this, and found exactly zero hits in which she was the subject of coverage. She was either the bylined author of an article about something else, or a briefly-namechecked quote provider about something else, in every single search result that came up — and this wasn't a limited or localized database, either, but one that includes every single major or medium market newspaper across all of Canada. Bearcat (talk) 22:32, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

• Keep Yes I googled her name with both Stroumboulopoulos and DNTO and sure enough she was on both, as the helpful hint from AllGloryToTheHypnotoad suggests. Ottawahitech (talk) 05:18, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
• Delete, was able to find lots of mentions here and there, she's obviously quite active on social media and the Internet generally. But nothing that was substantially about her from a source that we'd consider reliable. Don't see that she meets WP:BIO. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 13:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC).

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