Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lifestyle of the Ottoman Empire

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The arguments for keeping the article were passionate, but did not have much grounding in WP policies.--Mojo Hand (talk) 20:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lifestyle of the Ottoman Empire[edit]

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The article is a classic case of WP:FORK. All the content here can be conveniently placed in the Culture of the Ottoman Empire article. Besides that, much of its information doesn't appear to be even worth mentioning. The page looks like more of an image gallery than an encyclopedic article. "Lifestyle of the Ottoman Empire" is a very vague and indefinite title for an article, there are no equivalents of it in Wikipedia. More importantly, it hasn't been cited since 2009 and is poorly written with loads of WP:OR and poorly written statements such as "Turkish baths were unique" or "Socialization was a very important function in Turkish culture." I call for its deletion. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The article is essentially "original research". It started out as a gallery of images proscribed by WP:NOTGALLERY, and it appears that text was added in an attempt to go around the proscription. It cannot be salvaged by adding sources because, in the form in which it is presented, without appropriate context, it doesn't make much sense or isn't true. The Ottoman Empire was huge, lasted several centuries, and combined many lifestyles. Most of its citizens had a rural lifestyle, while the text seems to be exclusively about the lifestyle of specifically the upper middle class in specifically Constantinople in the later periods of the Empire. The vague title is also not felicitous, to say the least: lifestyle of an Empire? --Lambiam 08:26, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This article is incomplete. It surely needs further development. But this does not call for deletion. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep We're talking about whole western muslim world and half of the Europe for 600 years. Their lifestyle is a must. That's a huge part and wide period of time. The article is incomplete. Deletion is an ill will. You should stop harming Turkish related articles.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 08:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Following that logic it is even much more of a must to have an article "Lifestyle of the world", which will cover not only Europe and the Middle East for the last 600 years but also the Americas, Asia, Africa and Australia for the last 100,000 years. --Lambiam 00:05, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not here to "harm Turkish related articles". In fact, if this article gets deleted, it will divert Wikipedians to visit the Culture of Ottoman Empire page which has much more information and is an all around better article. That's better for WikiProject Turkey and of Wikipedia at large. Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Étienne Dolet You always contribute anti-Turkish additions. That drew my attention. Lıfestyle of the world would be great. Definetly we need it.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 10:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Merge into Culture of the Ottoman Empire - Like Étienne Dolet said, the Culture article is an excellent and IMO necessary alternative to this page. That being said, this page has a lot of unparalleled images that show the clothing of the Empire, especially in its last crucial decades. I say all images on this page be merged into the Culture of the Ottoman Empire article. Ithinkicahn (talk) 09:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Lifestyle and culture are not the same thing. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:10, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Having separate lifestyle and culture articles only serves to make it harder for the reader to find the information being sought, since the distinction between the two is not well defined. It is not common practice (either in wikipedia or in the world at large) to try to separate the two concepts. Wickedjacob (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Երևանցի ^talk 20:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- The article is trying to be a fork of Culture of the Ottoman Empire. However apart from the pictures there is little content. I am therefore not suggesting merger, but if we were to merge, some aspects of this article would be better merged to other articles than Culture. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:27, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.