Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lierre Keith

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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lierre Keith[edit]

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Delete. She was attacked with pies. Not really notable as an author or otherwise. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 05:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Just curious, how do you define "notability"? As someone said below, "the book currently ranked about #500 on Amazon, making it the bestselling book there in the categories of activism and sustainable agriculture." I'm not even involved in this movement, yet I heard of this book before coming here. Green Cardamom (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She was notable enough to be selected as the target of a public attack. And her book is currently selling at a rank of #600 on Amazon, which is indicative of notability. Obviously sales were spiked by recent news coverage of her attack, but that only indicates that her situation received a fair deal of press coverage. Owen (talk) 15:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She's notable enough with the vegetarian/vegan movement to make her a target for attack. She's notable enough to make it into the news. The article should be expanded to at least summarise her views, but certainly not deleted. Azurefox (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC).[reply]
Delete The book is not yet notable--I cannot find any reviews. The event is classic BLP1E, and shoul;d probably not be included even if she were to become a notable author. . suggest rewriting when there are significant reviews in important RSs. DGG ( talk ) 23:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The incident received significant coverage in the San Francisco Chronicle, and she was also interviewed on a local CBS affiliate. The only other print review I can find for The Vegetarian Myth is here. But as said before sales have clearly been significant, with the book currently ranked about #500 on Amazon, making it the bestselling book there in the categories of activism and sustainable agriculture. Owen (talk) 06:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. All I can find for the book is one RS review, and getting pied once doesn't really establish notability. Qrsdogg (talk) 02:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep search strings for "lierre keith" and "the vegetarian myth" get 55k responses, not bad as a raw count (i know its not ipso facto proof of notability). no google scholar to speak of (it is scanned by google). I added a review by michael r eades, a doctor with some notability (protein power, from a major trade publisher). This is a serious author of a serious, well researched book. the pie throwing incident has increased her notability, but obviously would be a blp1e by itself. She is absolutely notable within the food sustainability/organic agriculture movements, which are highly notable movements. article probably needs better sourcing, which will come with time, i believe.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:09, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There's some more coverage in reliable sources predating the pie incident here and here. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the article is about more than just "attacked with pies". Well sourced published author involved in a public controversy of note. Green Cardamom (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Once you remove the WP:BLP1E material, what about this subject is, as you put it, "well sourced"? I do appreciate your input on this. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 06:01, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - For AfD purposes, all of it is "well sourced". Green Cardamom (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - I disagree so strongly that here we are with this nom. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 01:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Pulitzer Prize winning author Alice Walker endorsed Lierre Keith's book saying "[The Vegetarian Myth] is one of the most important books people, masses of them, can read, as we try with all our might, intelligence, skill, hope, dream, and memory, to turn the disastrous course the planet is on." (Amazon.com) Alice Walker is a RS, with a major endorsement ("one of the most important books"). We could remove the pie incident entirely and the article would still be notable. Green Cardamom (talk) 06:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        That sounds like an argument for the notability of her book more than for her as the subject of the article. You're welcome to create an article on the book if you think it is notable itself. All that I'm seeing for significant coverage of her is the Globe article, the others just seem to just be quoting her as a source. Qrsdogg (talk) 21:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Nobody has presented any argument explaining why the sources that I presented above are inadequate to demonstrate notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She is a most controversial individual and likely to be so in the future. I think that she is important enough to have her own page here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.19.248.2 (talk) 14:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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