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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, for now. Keeper ǀ 76 19:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Liam Kerrigan[edit]

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Young footballer who has never made a first team apperance, thus failing WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. BanRay 12:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, played his first match on August 5th in the Scottish League Cup, thereby meeting WP:ATHLETE. Stifle (talk) 13:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:ATHLETE is repeatedly foisted as an excuse for deletion without addressing what the relevant policy dictates. WP:BIO states that "A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards [including WP:ATHLETE]. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included. Should a person fail to meet these additional criteria, they may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability." While WP:ATHLETE is a strong potential argument for retention, it is an invalid criteria for deletion and any vote that cites WP:ATHLETE exclusively as the basis for deleting this or any other article should be ignored. There are reliable and verifiable sources about Kerrigan in the article and available elsewhere to support the claim of notability. The article should be expanded to more fully satisfy the requirements of WP:Notability. Alansohn (talk) 15:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Can you actually show that he passes WP:BIO? The source in the article mentions his name in a teamlist, and says absolutely nothing about him. He also has zero Google news hits.[2] пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • You have failed to prove that he actually passes WP:N, which your whole argument is based upon... I had a look for sources prior to entering the discussion, but the only one giving him the time of day was that of his club - which is clearly not independent. Did you do some research before !voting here? Could you provide your evidence please? The two sources provided in the article are 1) a BBC match report which lists him as an unused substitute only and 2) a Soccerbase profile listing 0 appearances, 0 goals. WP:N requires: "...significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" - there is absolutely no way this guy satisfies that. – Toon(talk) 00:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 15:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - has multiple appearances as unused substitute in fully-professional games. No point deleting articles that all will agree to restore in the near future. Nfitz (talk) 06:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - you do realise players actually have to play to pass the criteria of WP:ATHLETE? --Jimbo[online] 07:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, and I'm sure anyone applying WP:CS will agree that there is little point in deleting articles where this criteria will quickly be met. Nfitz (talk) 19:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as he fails WP:N and WP:V. The one reference provided doesn't cover him in remotely significant fashion and I'm not finding anything that actually does. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Recreate IF he gets into a notable game. Crystal and Athlete and N and all that. GauchoDude (talk) 04:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Per nom. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 05:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete does not meet the notability requirement for sportsmen and does not have the significant coverage required for general notability. Nuttah (talk) 14:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Does not meet the criteria for an article in the encyclopedia per WP:Athlete as he has yet to play at the highest level, i.e. in a fully professional league, and per WP:N, i.e. there is no significant coverage of him. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not enough for inclusion. Punkmorten (talk) 07:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, clearly fails notability at WP:BIO#Athletes. Recreate if and when he ever plays in a fully-professional league or competition. --Jimbo[online] 11:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per long-standing consensus on footballers who have yet to make a first team appearance in a notable competition. --Dweller (talk) 13:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —Dweller (talk) 13:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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