Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 04:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong)

As much as I love the Chairman (he is the red sun in my heart), notability is not inherited. These members of his family are not individually notable since, judging from their stubby articles, their only claim to fame is their blood relation to Mao. However, I am no expert on Mao's family so if you think one of them is individually notable, please make a note of that and provide justification. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong), Li Min, Mao Zemin, Mao Zetan; Neutral for Mao Zehong. They are not just family members of Mao Zedong. Please read their biographies carefully. Mao Zemin and Mao Zetan were was early members of the Communist Party of China. Mao Zemin was the head of the state bank of the Red State in Ruijin. These facts are notable enough. I have added or re-added biography info to Li Min and Li Na (daughter of Mao Zedong). Li Min is the member of the 10th National Congress of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. Li Ne (Li Na) was a member of the 10th National Congress of the Communist Party of China in 1973 and the Party Chief of CPC Pinggu County Committee and Deputy Secretary of CPC Beijing Committee from 1974 to 1975. They are also notable enough. As for Mao Zehong, I am neutral. --Neo-Jay (talk) 06:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "Please read their biographies carefully." As I said, I'm not familiar at all with these people. The stubs that were there (before recent expansion) showed a minimal level of independent notability. Thank you for your work to improve these articles. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As much as I am not fond of the Chairman, any of his children are likely to have more than enough prominence during their lifetimes to warrant articles. While notability is not generally inherited as a rule, when one's father is the leader of the world's most populous nation, he will likely do things (directly and indirectly) to make them notable. Xoloz (talk) 14:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Two issues - Mao's two brothers, important roles in the early struggles, as is said above. His sister and one of his two daughters, maybe not distinguised except as relatives.
But it is only 31 years since Mao's death. Slightly less time than between the fall of Napoleon and the unexpected rise of his nephew to supreme power in France. We also have Mussolini's grandaughter prominent in Italy. If they ever do allow open Western-style elections in China, the results might be a considerable surprise.--GwydionM (talk) 19:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Li Na and Li Min, who were members of national party congresses (a practical, if not legal, equivalent of a national legislature). I'm waffling on Zemin; his banking position may be notable given the parlous state of Chinese sovereignty at the time. The other two brothers do not seem particularly notable to me other than being famous in retrospect due to association (they may well have been elevated to the status of national heros/martyrs for the cause, but nothing is shown to say this). --Dhartung | Talk 22:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To clarify, per request, I am neutral on Mao Zemin, and advocate merger of Mao Zetan and Mao Zehong to Mao Zedong or perhaps an umbrella article for Category:Family of Mao Zedong that does not yet exist. --Dhartung | Talk 22:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Perhaps an article specifically dedicated to Mao's various relatives is in order? One that is not just a simple list, but also gives a quick summary about each of his immediate family members like his wives, children, and any grandchildren. Or would that not be a notable topic? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That would likely be beneficial. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Create an article on the relatives if you like. But I think those with their own entries should keep them, since they have or had a political relevance in their own right.--GwydionM 16:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Li Na deserves an article as the only child of Mao and Jiang Qing.217.42.13.36 18:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Li Na's story is relevant to scholars of Mao, but there isn't room for so much detail in Mao's own page. Also, although I accept the argument that the children of notable people aren't necessarily notable themselves, the child of such an exceptional couple may deserve special consideration. There are pictures of Mao with Li Min and Li Na, and anecdotes about them. Perhaps the articles could be added to.JaneGrey 18:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. --Dlae^{The Freudian Slip} 19:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.