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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:58, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Laurent Ziliani

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Fails WP:COMPOSER. No online RS available (only his own sites). PROD was contested. czar · · 15:56, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. He is a member of the SCL where his name appear with other notable composers [1]. The link indicated as "reference 9" is taken from his webpage [2], but he is featured in the French magazine Écran Fantastique, which is apparently a reference when it comes to sci-fi in France. Finally, he appears to work with Thomas Parisch, so I think if we keep that article we should keep this one, too. Tarokoike (talk) 06:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • SCL is basically an entry in a list/directory, and that does not by itself make a person notable (unless there is consensus that membership at a certain group/list establishes notability). Re Thomas Parisch -- see common argument of "other articles exist". We do not judge an article's notability based on what other articles we have or do not, because we recognise they may not have been assessed/deleted/created yet. The magazine is an acceptable source though. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 15:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Re:SCL, I agree that a membership with SCL does not make someone famous, you have a valid point. But the rest of your argument is untrue: SCL is a society based on membership rather than a simple list. Re: Thomas Parisch, I understand your point, but I guess the argument there was that they both work together, so you cannot really consider it any other article, therefore it is not a simple case of "other articles exist". --Aaton77 (talk) 21:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, simply because he meets WP:COMPOSER: "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition", as co-composing the soundtrack of Resident Evil 6, which is notable enough. A valid reference would be the end credits roll of that game. If you absolutely need a link, it can be found for instance in this video from minute 07:07 [3]. --Aaton77 (talk) 07:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG -- no multiple reliable independent broad coverage sources on the subject. Écran Fantastique magazine article appears to be a suitable source for WP:GNG, however it is just one for now. All other sources given are primary or lack any depth of coverage (i.e credits). —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:51, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Écran Fantastique article is a first-person Q&A interview. It may establish that he was worth interviewing, but it doesn't add fact-checking: it is a primary source of very low reliability. The fact that it is put forward in his website's "Press Book" page does nothing to improve that reliability, though it does establish that he is aware that Écran Fantastique published the piece. LeadSongDog come howl! 20:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The music for RE6 is most certainly a composition. The video game is merely what the music was composed for, same as a movie, opera, play, etc. Whether RE6's music by itself is notable is another question, but the video game certainly is. Background music is now an integral part of both movies and video games, and since the Academy Awards has had an entire section on score since 1934, it doesn't seem much of a stretch, especially now that video games have evolved to the point where famous actors are hired for their voices and video games have almost as many sound credits as movies.  The Steve  21:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk). — Frankie (talk) 18:47, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - In general, there is a lack of significant coverage to establish notability. With respect to notability as a composer, he may be the composer of various music associated with RE6, but unless one can establish that as a notable composition, then criterion 1 is not met in WP:COMPOSER which seems to be the keep argument that is being pushed. -- Whpq (talk) 19:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Video game composers is not a notability guideline. LK (talk) 04:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete Composing highly notable music makes a composer notable. If Ziliani's music is the subject of reviews and commentary in multiple reliable sources, that might make him notable. Composing music for a notable game does not make the composer notable. Not everyone who contributes to a notable work is notable. Notability is not inherited. To give an extreme example, is an artist who laid the tiles for a small mural in the Kuala Lumpur Twin Towers, notable solely because of that work? LK (talk) 04:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • The answer of your specific example is most certainly no. But your example in no way applies to this. In the case of Resident Evil, (like it is the case of many major Japanese video games), every soundtrack is released independently, as a separate album, in this case with Sony music [5]). This is not at all the case of a small mural found only at a specific location. There would not be any such release if the music was not notable.--Aaton77 (talk) 06:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete - Now, if someone could show that he meets the WP:GNG, I'd probably revise my stance, but as it is right now, I'm not sure COMPOSER was meant to be applied in situations like this. WP:COMPOSER seems more applicable to notability when the music is the only, or main, area of focus. (Albums, Musicals, etc.) However, this is not the case with video games, where, unless we're talking about Guitar Hero or something, is not the major focus of the work. Again, if it can be shown that there's good plenty of third party coverage in reliable sources, then that would trump any delete argument, but if the only rationale to "Keep" is WP:COMPOSER, then I'd say delete. Sergecross73 msg me 14:45, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. WP:COMPOSER is a subset of notability guidelines for composers and is not meant to supercede WP:GNG, but to supplement it. Several voters here, in particular the single purpose accounts, seem to be under the impression that simply passing WP:COMPOSER is enough to satisfy WP:N. In my opinion, the subject doesn't have significant coverage in reliable, independent sources.--Atlan (talk) 15:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral:It seems to have enough references,but seems to short for anyone to finish,but I would know.maybe keep or maybe delete.~Tailsman67~ 98.71.52.245 (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as lacking independent references with in depth coverage OR merge and redriect to a passing mention in Resident Evil 6. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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