Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Latin Mass

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Clear consensus for the article to be retained. Further discussion about the article can occur on its talk page if desired. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:46, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Latin Mass[edit]

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Redundant with the page Tridentine Mass. Anyone looking up "Latin Mass" will want that page, not a listicle of Masses celebrated in Latin. The fact that several liturgies may be celebrated in Latin can be briefly mentioned in Tridentine Mass (and IIRC already is); it does not merit its own article. juju (hajime! | waza) 01:25, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 01:30, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Why not propose a merge, then? Smmurphy^(Talk) 01:52, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - In the meantime, I don't see how this isn't notable, I !vote keep. Smmurphy^(Talk) 01:54, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There are three or four examples on the article of rites other than the Tridentine that are regularly celebrated in Latin, so a merge to Tridentine Mass wouldn't suit. This topic is clearly notable on its own. Brad v 15:58, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Then the title is wrong; the "Latin Mass" nearly always refers to the Tridentine Mass. No one will use the term to casually refer to a Novus Ordo celebrated in Latin, they'll just call it a Novus Ordo celebrated in Latin, or use the proper name of whatever other Latin-language rite they're referring to. Anyway, this whole article could just be a section or two at the end of Tridentine Mass mentioning other Masses in Latin. It is not at all notable. juju (hajime! | waza) 19:29, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Latin Mass does not exclusively refer to the Tridentine Rite. There are plenty of Catholic churches that distinguish between Latin Mass (Ordinary Form) and Latin Mass (Extraordinary Form). Even if it did, AfD is not the place for this. If there is consensus that Tridentine Mass is the primary topic for Latin Mass, this page should be moved, not deleted. Brad v 19:55, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- As a non-Catholic, I am not clear what the position is. Are there Latin-language rites for the mass other than Tridentine Mass. If there are, then the others should receive more coverage in this article. If there are not, then we should merge to that article (with the usual redirect), adding sections on anything non-tridentine. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 17:43, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I am also not Roman Catholic. If I wanted to know about this topic, I'd look for "Latin Mass" rather than "Tridentine Mass." This article has existed since 2005, and was formerly a list of rituals in Latin including the Tridentine Mass. It appears to me that Tridentine is one of several Latin masses. If that's the case, this article belongs on WP and can include a link in the appropriate section to the Tridentine Mass article for further information (or we could merge the redundant, more specific article into this more general article). I hate to see a schism between "Latin Mass Roman Catholics" and "Tridentine Mass Roman Catholics," so I hope you can reconcile. Jack N. Stock (talk) 19:41, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article clearly indicates that the Tridentine Mass is not the only version of the Catholic Mass celebrated in Latin. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:13, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand. Mass was celebrated in latin for centuries, and this is the most natural search term. Heck, I've been to Latin masses and never knew they were called Tridentine! — JFG ^talk 06:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep at the very least this needs to be a disambiguation page. --Jahaza (talk) 15:55, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Agree with all above. Clearly notable topic and very interesting too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.216.197 (talk) 00:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The tradition of Latin Mass, as documented in scholarly sources too,^[1] cannot be ignored. Notable per encyclopedic worth. Lourdes 05:14, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.