Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Largest cities in the Southern Border

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The result was redirect to Southern_Border_(California)#Cities. Delete and keep !votes are fairly even, while there is a move toward merging with the parent article. Having looked at the article and the parent article, this list duplicate the information in the parent article, so a merge/redirect does seem appropriate. See Wikipedia:Summary style for advice on when to splut out a standalone article from a parent. SilkTork *^YES! 20:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Largest cities in the Southern Border[edit]

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Per WP:MILL; similar to like Aardvarks by the name of George with brown hair living in Windy County, Oklahoma that resemble anteaters. mono (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the Southern Border is a major region of Southern California, like the Greater Los Angeles Area or the Inland Empire. It is the largest, in terms of economic diversity, region of the State of California. So i created a list of it's largest cities. Hardly anything like Aardvarks by the name of George with brown hair living in Windy County, Oklahoma that resemble anteaters. SoCal L.A. (talk) 00:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep If this gets deleted so should Largest cities in Southern California.House1090 (talk) 00:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:LIST. It has a clearly defined scope ("the 25 largest cities in the Southern Border by population"), it's verifiable, it's closely related to an article (Southern Border), and it's sourced and well presented. - DustFormsWords (talk) 01:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This isn't at all a violation of our list standards, since it defines the number of cities and relies on an official definition of Southern Border. By the way, there is no Windy County, Oklahoma. Nyttend (talk) 05:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Gimme a break, this already part of Southern Border and there's no need for its own special article. "Southern Border" sounds really impressive, and the article's author assumes that everybody knows what it is, but this is basically "Largest cities in San Diego County and Imperial County, California". And if you want to know what the largest cities are in San Diego County and Imperial County, California, there's an article called "Southern Border" that includes that information. Somebody thoughtfully wrote that information-- so that you and I don't have to. Mandsford (talk) 15:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CommentJust pointing out that i wrote both articles :). SoCal L.A. (talk) 22:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Southern Border and any subsidiary articles like this should be moved to less ambiguous titles like Southern Border (California). It may surprise some editors, but numerous other states and nations also have southern borders. It is a bit arrogant to assume that the southern border of one U.S. state is so well known as such that no disambiguating information is needed. I am a U.S. resident and I have been to said southern border of California, but have never heard the term used in such a linguistic monopoly. A Google Book search shows no dominance of California in use of the term "Southern Border" over the borders of other states and countries. Edison (talk) 16:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, i moved the article to Largest cities in the Southern Border (California) since your reasoning makes sense. SoCal L.A. (talk) 22:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak merge to Southern Border, rename that article to Southern Border (California). I concur with Edison about the rename, and like Mandsford I am unclear about the need for this separate list article. Why not just replace the list of cities now included at Southern Border with this nicer-looking, and slightly more detailed, list? I am open to re-evaluating my opinion if someone will articulate a good reason for a separate article for the list. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't care if you keep the list as a separate list or merge it (there's been a great proliferation of catchall articles lately about various portions of southern California, but I think they are - as Douglas Addams would say - mostly harmless). But do I agree with the comment that "Southern Border" should always be rendered as "Southern Border (California)". I live in San Diego and I was unfamiliar with the term, so I certainly don't expect anyone from outside the area to know what it is referring to. --MelanieN (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, I'm behind the times; I see that the renaming process is already under way. Good work, SoCal L.A. --MelanieN (talk) 23:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Why is the southern border of California more special than that of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona? 69.242.59.114 (talk) 02:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I added the above unsigned vote. Thunderbunny (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTCASE. This is a comparison that someone made just out of the blue. Dew Kane (talk) 04:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CommentI didn't see how WP:NOTCASE applies. Are there criteria for the size or importance of a region that I don't know about? Pirate^Argh!!1! 02:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Dew Kane, you're misinterpretating WP:NOTCASE. That policy is saying that the existence of an article entitled "Oak trees in California" does not entitle you to write an article about particular oak trees in California, as Wikipedia is not a collection of case studies. However, what you're probably trying to say is that this is an unlikely concatenation of subjects as explained by WP:OVERCAT (which only applies to categories) or WP:OLIST (an essay, not a guideline). Neither of those are relevant here as an understanding of the relative size of cities in a defined and notable area of America is clearly relevant and helpful to an understanding of that area. - DustFormsWords (talk) 02:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It may be that considering the Southern Border a real region and having an article and related sub-articles is against some policy or a bad idea, regardless, no one has shown that except to say "I haven't heard about it", which isn't an argument. Try deleting Pikachu with that rationale. Regardless, perhaps the Souther Border article should be reduced to some brief text and {{main|this topic in San Diego county}}. But this isn't the place to make that kind of decision. I've started that discussion on Talk:Southern_Border_(California) Pirate^Argh!!1! 02:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Southern Border (California). It's just a content fork. 22 of the 25 cities are already listed there (albeit some of them list different populations, which is odd considering they claim to be using the same reference as their source). VernoWhitney (talk) 15:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I didn't vote before but I will now: this article has no reason for existence. It is totally duplicated at Southern Border (California) - itself an article with some question as to its notability (see Talk:Southern Border (California)). ==14:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.