Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lancashire Road

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The result was redirect all to List of streets and roads in Hong Kong. Michig (talk) 06:21, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lancashire Road[edit]

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Incomplete nomination. I would simply say I prodded this article a while back and still see no reason how it is notable and why it ought to be kept. per WP:EXISTS -- Ohc ^¡digame! 03:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. 03:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)--180.172.239.231 (talk) 03:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. 03:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)--180.172.239.231 (talk) 03:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Redirect to List_of_streets_and_roads_in_Hong_Kong as nominator. The road exists but fails WP:GEOROAD. It has no historical, social, cultural importance, thus it's not distinguished from other run-of-the-mill roads.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 03:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also nominating Nga Tsin Wai Road and La_Salle_Road.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 03:37, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As an alternative to deletion it might be an idea to expand List of streets and roads in Hong Kong to more than single line entries or split it into into three new articles, viz:
List of streets on Hong Kong Island
List of streets in Kowloon and New Kowloon, Hong Kong
List of streets in the New Territories, Hong Kong

All three roads nominated above can then become redirects with the retention of cultural/historical info per WP:ROADOUTCOMES where appropriate. Philg88 ^♦talk 07:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Book sources from Deryck[edit]

Keep all.

Nga Tsin Wai Road - heavily discussed road due to its significance in the history of Kowloon City.
The road is mentioned in relation to the history of Nga Tsin Wai Village and and the development of modern Kowloon City in 九龍城 (香港地區史研究之一) by 趙雨樂, 鍾寶賢, ISBN 9789620419707 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum

Its importance as a delivery route during the Japanese occupation of Hong Kong and subsequently in the construction of Kai Tak Airport is discussed in 再看啓德: 從日佔時期說起 by 吳邦謀, ISBN 9789881750044

Its importance as a modern throughfare is discussed in 會說話的地圖香港篇 ISBN 9789621446602 (incidentally an earlier edition of this book led to a copyright lawsuit between Wikimedians in Hong Kong and the publisher over the use of Commons images without attribution)

The proliferation of Thai restaurants in recent years along Nga Tsin Wai Road (specifically along this road, not just Kowloon City in general) is discussed in the travel guidebook 魅力情懷潮爆遊Easy GO!香港 by 沙米, 李雪熒 (ISBN 9789881660039) and a few other travel guides.

建築師地運觀察 by 蔣匡文 (ISBN 9789621443441) discussed both of the last two points (throughfare and Thai cuisine).

These would fit better in Wikivoyage than an encylopedia. Top two reasons are more valid though.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 19:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The road must be the subject of the sourced articles not an ancillary bystander to events. Rincewind42 (talk) 07:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

La Salle Road - I think in general we should be sceptical about deleting an article which made it to the front page. It's mentioned in a number of books in relation to the abundance of high-end housing and the various schools along the road, e.g. 香港的前後時光 by 張撲 (ISBN 9888200232), and various publications by La Salle College (I'd argue that publications by the schools qualify as "independent" for the notability of the road, because the road was neither built nor named by the school even though it's named after the school.)

Wikipedia usage cannot be used to create notability. The article was in the "did you know" section but that doesn't confer any special rights to existence. The road has to be the subject in the sources not simply that a notable building stands on that road. Rincewind42 (talk) 07:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lancashire Road - notable as the namesake of a book and a newspaper column by prominent Hong Kong writer 王迪詩. Also site of a fatal car crash in 2012 which led to persistent coverage for a few months about the aftermath. Der yck C. 18:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Other than the namesake, is there anything significant about the road? Also, Notability is not temporary.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 19:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Deryck Chan: ping.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 20:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The author of that namesake column also talks about the road a lot, both in her own writing and in interviews with other journalists e.g. [1]. And I'd say news coverage of a car crash spanning two years confers persistent (i.e. not temporary) notability. And the general application of WP:GNG is that anything that's notable for two or more independent reasons is notable. Der yck C. 03:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTNEWS.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 00:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The car crash may be notable but that doesn't automatically make the road notable. The news articles in the google search linked are discussing the accident and people involved. There is no information about the road beyond the meer fact that it exists. Rincewind42 (talk) 07:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of streets and roads in Hong Kong for now, a WP:USRD/RCS-type situation could be used here.—CycloneIsaac (Talk) 19:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of streets and roads in Hong Kong per my comment above. In absolute content terms, once the geo-padding and travel guide stuff are stripped out of these articles they don't amount to more than a sentence or two, which makes CycloneIsaac's suggestion a good one and fits with my idea for three successor articles to List of streets and roads in Hong Kong. FWIW, we already handle Private housing estates in Hong Kong in one article with divisions per my list above. Philg88 ^♦talk 05:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Meeting notability standards does not mean that something requires its own article. These streets would be better off being discussed as a collective group, rather than in individual articles. -happy 5214 00:12, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of streets and roads in Hong Kong as notability has not been shown. Rincewind42 (talk) 07:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all three to List of streets and roads in Hong Kong. Insufficient coverage for standalone articles. --Bejnar (talk) 18:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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