Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/La Cala Resort
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Nomination withdrawn based on input from Andrew Lenahan. I would also like to use this space to acknowledge that I seriously misinterpreted Andrew's comments and I would like to apologise directly to Andrew for my error. Ecoleetage (talk) 18:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
La Cala Resort[edit]
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Welcome to the Wikipedia Holiday Travel Guide, where you can choose a fine resort...oh, wait, Wikipedia is not a holiday travel guide! This slice of tourist spam needs to be tossed out. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete...Wikipedia is not a travel guide. RockManQ (talk) 01:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Article reads like an advertisement for a non-notable resort --Megaboz (talk) 03:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep probably more recognisable to golfers than resortgoers in general, but La Cala is certainly notable. It's by far the biggest in both Costa del Sol and Spain itself, and hosts a number of notable events. Try a Google News search for "La Cala" +golf, there's certainly no shortage of reliable sources, and that's without even resorting to any of the number of magazines that cover golf exclusively. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per what RockManQ said.--Res2216firestar 21:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Walt Disney World Resort, for example is purely a holiday destination and that is on here I can not see the need to pick on La Cala Resort, certainly the largest of it's kind in Spain. Ecoleetage can not have double standards. There are hotels, airports, Islands, Cruise Ships etc here that have not had a speedy delete tag placed on them, I can not see the need to single this article out. As for notability what are you judging this on. It is purely in the eye of the beholder.--Theoneintraining (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not recognised as a valid argument for keeping an article. And please focus on content and not contributors -- I don't possess "double standards" and I am not the subject of this discussion. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In this case I really have to question whether you Googled the subject before listing. Even a cursory glance at the results shows notability well past the point of inclusion. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please assume good faith before openly questioning someone's research and editorial skills in front of the community. I never put articles up for deletion without first checking via Google. The search I did focused on the "La Cala Resort" name (I did not include "golf") and what came up was overwhelmingly either a bunch of press releases or coverage where the resort was mentioned only in passing. You can confirm this via [1] and [2]. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, let me get this straight... you listed a resort with three golf courses, mentions of golf tournaments in the article, and even a picture of a golf green(!) in the article, yet you didn't think to include "golf" in your search?!? Ooookay then. Since clearly your actions in this matter are impeccable and any attempt to question your Sherlockian methods would be an indefensable breach of AGF, I'll avoid stating the obvious here. However, I can't not state that even your own searcg linked in this very comment includes substantial claims of notability from reliable sources in the very first couple of results: specifically, articles from The Scotsman indicating the resort as host to LPGA tour events. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Andrew, if you cannot contribute to the conversation without being rude, please click that little red box in the upper right corner of your computer screen. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I tried following your technical support, but all it did was close my browser and I still don't understand why you're apparently ignoring the sources found in your own search. Ok, ok, all kidding aside, you can't behave so bizarrely and expect no-one to remark upon it. The world simply does not work that way. I still don't see why you've discounted the Scotsman articles as sources (again, they were right at the top... of your search, not mine). I'm also curious whether, after being told using "La Cala" +golf would bring far more sources--I get 300 or so--you apparently think all these should be discounted as well. The bottom line is neither notability nor verifiability are in question here, nor does the article have an advertising-like tone. What deletion rationale is left? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Andrew, if you cannot contribute to the conversation without being rude, please click that little red box in the upper right corner of your computer screen. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, let me get this straight... you listed a resort with three golf courses, mentions of golf tournaments in the article, and even a picture of a golf green(!) in the article, yet you didn't think to include "golf" in your search?!? Ooookay then. Since clearly your actions in this matter are impeccable and any attempt to question your Sherlockian methods would be an indefensable breach of AGF, I'll avoid stating the obvious here. However, I can't not state that even your own searcg linked in this very comment includes substantial claims of notability from reliable sources in the very first couple of results: specifically, articles from The Scotsman indicating the resort as host to LPGA tour events. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please assume good faith before openly questioning someone's research and editorial skills in front of the community. I never put articles up for deletion without first checking via Google. The search I did focused on the "La Cala Resort" name (I did not include "golf") and what came up was overwhelmingly either a bunch of press releases or coverage where the resort was mentioned only in passing. You can confirm this via [1] and [2]. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- For the record There are two articles from the Scotsman, [3] and [4] -- neither focuses on the resort, and both only mention the location passing during the course of a single sentence. That doesn't pass the test, sorry. And neither article is about the LPGA. Ecoleetage (talk) 17:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- They do, however, verify that the resort is host to PGA events, which is one of the primary claims of notability in the article, the other two being the largest golf resort in Spain and also having a five-star hotel. Even if one attempts to claim that none of these are on its own notable enough for an article (with which I would disagree), it's still unfathomable how all three aren't. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability isn't inherited and five-star hotels are not notable unto themselves. But let's get off the carousel with an easy solution. Andrew, if you are so eager to save the article, why don't you rewrite it with all of those goodies that you are citing (facts, references, etc.)? When it looks like a real encyclopedia article and not marketing collateral, I will withdraw the nomination. I think that is fair, yes? Ecoleetage (talk) 17:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If hosting top-level professional golf tournaments, being the largest in a major country (Spain), and having internationally-recognised facilities doesn't make a golf resort notable, then please tell me what, in your opinion, would make it notable? What possible standard of notability are you holding it to? (Oh, and for what it's worth I don't see any marketing material in the article. Specifics, please.) Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability isn't inherited and five-star hotels are not notable unto themselves. But let's get off the carousel with an easy solution. Andrew, if you are so eager to save the article, why don't you rewrite it with all of those goodies that you are citing (facts, references, etc.)? When it looks like a real encyclopedia article and not marketing collateral, I will withdraw the nomination. I think that is fair, yes? Ecoleetage (talk) 17:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- They do, however, verify that the resort is host to PGA events, which is one of the primary claims of notability in the article, the other two being the largest golf resort in Spain and also having a five-star hotel. Even if one attempts to claim that none of these are on its own notable enough for an article (with which I would disagree), it's still unfathomable how all three aren't. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.