Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 5407

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The arguments for deletion are stronger. Notability requires sources, and there are none of substance here (the article cites one dead website of unclear reliability, http://www.rileyandson.co.uk/html/45407.html.). The "keep" opinions don't rebut this, but appear to argue that such locomotives are inherently notable, which has no foundation in guidelines or policy. Sandstein 10:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 5407

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Hardly notable steam locomotive, one ref citing a glimpse on a TV programme from 1991, and the other is parts from the owner's website. Both aren't significant enough to prove notability. Nightfury 10:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Nightfury 10:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Nightfury 10:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This is pragmatic. At a total guess without checking there's probably about 10 of these in preservation. And there wil be sources in the offline magazine. It is probably be possible to merge with all its mates in with LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 (preserved) if anyone with a positive outlook on the this. But given other results this is probably a keep. Has this been discussed at WikiProject level because we really need consistent guidlelines. Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Only in very exceptional cases are individual locomotives notable, and this article utterly fails to assert any sort of notability. Entirely fancruft in my opinion. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is one of 18 preserved locomotives of this class, ten of which have WP articles. Merging into one combined article, or even the main LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0 is faintly ridiculous. Preserved UK mainline steam locomotives are notable. – Iain Bell (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Yes we have 10 WP articles for these preserved steam locomotives, but nearly all of them are also unsourced fancruft, with no sourced material establishing notability. We do presume notability on each train class, but not on the individual locomotives. Jumpytoo Talk 19:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amkgp 💬 17:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:47, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.