Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LGBT-free zone

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The result was keep. Tone 17:55, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT-free zone

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Reason FxJ (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC) Fake news, Russian trolls publish lying articles[reply]

Its all about ideological war. Stickers vs stickers - its all bout it.

Stickers affixed to people who do not support LGBT ideology and pro life. https://www.polskieradio.pl/5/1222/Artykul/2348023,Transfobiczny-smiec-Obrazliwe-naklejki-na-biurze-rzecznika-warszawskiego-PiS https://www.facebook.com/NarodowyPoznan/photos/a.1020901757983823/2965929860147660/?type=3

Translation: "Homofobiczny śmieć. Homofobiczna spierdolina." https://translate.google.pl/#view=home&op=translate&sl=pl&tl=en&text=Homofobiczny%20%C5%9Bmie%C4%87.%20Homofobiczna%20spierdolina.

Articles that need Attention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-free_zone

My comment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:No-go_area#FAKE_NEWS_-_No-go_areas_in_Poland

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2019 November 5. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 16:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The topic of the article has received significant coverage in numerous reliable sources, including CNN, NBC, Reuters, BBC, TIME, The New York Times, The Daily Telegraph and The Washington Post. Because of this, it's quite clear that the subject of the article meets WP:GNG. Not a very active user (talk) 16:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note Links to these sources can be found in the "References" section of the page, in case you were wondering. Not a very active user (talk) 14:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Article topic is broadly discussed in international media. The 'fake news' claim doesn't seem relevant to notability; even if the LGBT-free zones are a hoax, the topic has still received significant coverage worldwide over an extended period of time. 38.142.216.106 (talk) 17:03, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to LGBT rights in Poland. This topic is essentially a political ploy and propaganda from both sides is at its heart. The major reportable events are a 'rainbow Virgin' and 'anti-LGBT' stickers being distributed. In the scope of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENT, there is no need to give this development more prominence than it deserves. Elizium23 (talk) 13:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - as per rationale already stated. --John B123 (talk) 18:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as in above comment by Elizium23. It's a short-term phenomenon, mostly being repeated by the news, because it's touching the sensationalist/sensitive topic of LGBT, not because any actual restrictions were put in place. Nobody forced LGBT people to leave the supposed zones, or prevented letting them in. All municipal/governmental services work normally there like in other parts of the country. --Wanted (talk) 22:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge any remaining relevant content to the LBGT rights in Poland. Wikipedia is not a news outlet.--Darwinek (talk) 01:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: one-time event, important only as an mention in LGBT rights in Poland, as Elizium23 stated. A.J. (talk) 16:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Wide coverage in international media of legislation by regional governments (states), and stickers. On going coverage for several months. Note to closer: Canvassing to this AfD in extreme-right Polish media and social media.AstuteRed (talk) 05:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment AstuteRed, and congratulations on your second week being the Wikipedian. Welcome. I believe, however, that you are mistaken; there is no "On going coverage for several months". News sources used as a reference to draft this article date to less than two weeks period of July 27 - August 9, 2019. After that, there is no news coverage.GizzyCatBella 🍁 17:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and merge any remaining relevant content to LGBT rights in Poland per Darwinek and Elizium23. It was a short-lived political stunt pulled up by politicians hoping to gain popularity among the conservative rural population. This information belongs to LGBT rights in Poland. GizzyCatBella🍁 08:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Thank you for your comment and Welcome to Wikipedia Queen Viga.GizzyCatBella 🍁 17:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)~~[reply]

Strong keep. You must be kidding me. This is an example of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. François Robere (talk) 12:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- And where is your strong argument for Keep? --Wanted (talk) 16:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - To quote Not a very active user and Queen Viga: The topic of the article has received significant coverage in numerous reliable sources, including CNN, NBC, Reuters, BBC, TIME, The New York Times, The Daily Telegraph and The Washington Post; Say after me: The CBC, Washington Post, and The Telegraph are NOT "Fake news, Russian trolls publish lying articles". Strong enough? François Robere (talk) 23:05, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Nope. Those are links to the media web pages, not the articles. Do you mind also explaining why we should become a news agency? WP:NOTNEWSGizzyCatBella 🍁 23:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - Links in body, Bella, don't be lazy. And I don't get your question. François Robere (talk) 13:36, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This [[1]] rather implies that even if it will be short lived, it aint dead yet.Slatersteven (talk) 13:11, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Then it should be described as such, that relatively high percentage of people in Poland are against LGBT agenda, but not as LGBT-free zones, which simply do not exist in reality, except for imagination of certain politicians/media/activists. --Wanted (talk) 16:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which would be an argument for a re-rewrite, not a delete. You maybe right this may well only be in the imagination go "certain politicians/media/activists", but that still mean it is notable, as they have noted it.Slatersteven (talk) 16:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not notable enough to have an article on its own. Old news, and we are not old news archivers. A section in LGBT rights in Poland is a due approach.GizzyCatBella 🍁 17:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually "old news" would be the exact opposite of wp:notnews, and I am not sure that 3 weeks counts as old new anyway.Slatersteven (talk) 17:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for October [[2]] [[3]] [[4]] Sources for September [[5]] [[6]] There maybe more, I mean how long did I search?Slatersteven (talk) 17:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sources you presented cover violence/restrictions against LGBTQ; LGBT-free zones are only passing if at all present. So how did you come up with 3 weeks count? July when the news hit the air was over 3 months ago [7] Yes, old news, and we are not WP:NOTNEWS.GizzyCatBella 🍁 18:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Violence/restrictions against LGBTQ, Yes, being discussed in connection with LGBT-free zones, it does not matter if they only mention the zones in passing its still coverage of the issue and its impact on the LGBTQ communuity. As to how did I come up with the three week count, the AFD was launched on the 5th of November, at least one of the above is from the 16th of October, thus about three weeks ago.Slatersteven (talk) 18:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, LGBT-free zone is only breefly mentioned in the sources you provided. LGBT-free zone news are from over 3 months ago.GizzyCatBella 🍁 18:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which means...its still being being mentioned.Slatersteven (talk) 10:29, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, just mentioned. The highly absurd idea of a few shallow politicians, but Free Zone itself is not news anymore.GizzyCatBella 🍁 20:56, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It means it is still (the whole issue, and the issues surrounding it) in the news, that is what sustained coverage is, it continues to have ripples long after the main event.Slatersteven (talk) 10:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Preposterous nomination, Wikipedia is not a LGBT-free zone and Reuters and Washington Post are not fake news. Reuters reported on these anti-LGBT hate declarations in May: [8]. Washington Post in July: [9]. Telegraph in August: [10]. Feature reporting. More after election. Also in November, Nixmag: [11] reports: "Queer party Homobloc has teamed up with LGBT+ human rights group All Out amid homophobic violence and discrimination in Poland. The partnership comes after 30 towns and villages in Poland declared 'LGBT-free zones' and the leader of the ruling party (PiS) said the LGBT+ community was "a threat to Poland, our nation and its existence".". Catogato (talk) 08:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia Catogato, Thank you, GizzyCatBella🍁 18:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The subject is well-documented in Polish and foreign media. These declarations are a fact, and a phenomenon notable enough to warrant keeping this article. — bieχχ (talk) 17:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The reporting is sound and the zones exist, even if the law is unenforceable. Jakub.zabinski (talk) 18:36, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge ctrl-v: "merge any remaining relevant content to LGBT rights in Poland per Darwinek and Elizium23" Zezen (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article has gathered significant coverage from reliable sources meeting WP:SIGCOV. Some reliable sources which cover the subject include: [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]. I do not see how this article is "Fake news by Russian trolls publish lying articles " Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 22:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Yes, "Fake news by Russian trolls publish lying articles" is an absurd statement. Please ignore that and focus more on the notability of the article itself. I still think that this information should be merged to LGBT rights in Poland per WP:NOTNEWS GizzyCatBella🍁 00:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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