Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyriaki Vasiliou

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 13:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kyriaki Vasiliou[edit]

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Redirect to List of Cyprus women's international footballers. The subject has earned at least three caps for the Cyprus women's national football team. I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage from third-party sources, failing WP:GNG. I found transaction news like 1 and 2. JTtheOG (talk) 00:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Football, and Cyprus. JTtheOG (talk) 00:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 13:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 13:35, 19 September 2023 (UTC)~~[reply]

Keep per sources added which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep since subject, despite a dearth of Εnglish-language sources about her online, is present enough in local-lingo media, e.g. here, here, etc, to pass the criterion of notability. Moreover, she plays in Cyprus' top division and has been capped for the national team, achieving fooballers' notability. -The Gnome (talk) 14:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:01, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still divided between Keep and Redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:45, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: More sources added to the article. Its subject may not be too known in the Anglosphere but it is in her native lingo's media. -The Gnome (talk) 11:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, Per above. Celalru ignificant figur ein Cypriot womens football with ongong career. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails GNG. The serresmegasport.gr source is probably sigcov but the other sources are unreliable. Omonoianews.com is a Omonoia Nicosia fansite with one sentence on her that isn't from a press release. epilogesnews.gr is sourced to a Facebook account. Gnomi is a namedrop, acadimies.gr is a Q+A interview with one independent sentence and ginekio.com cites the same Facebook page as epilogesnews.gr. Dougal18 (talk) 18:59, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per Dougal18. I also can't find any details on editorial policy for Serres Megasport -- the site seems to be hosted by WordPress, and the About Us section just says "Html code here! Replace this with any non-empty text and that's it."

JoelleJay (talk) 19:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There is something wrong with the recent couple of Delete suggestions. Dougal18 dismisses some Omonoianews.com source as a "fansite" but there is no such source among the citations. The Gnomi source, disparaged by the same contributor as a "name-drop", was deployed to support the fact that our subject has been the recipient of the 2015 Best Young Footballer of the Year. As to Facebook, I have no idea what that is about, since there is no link to it anywhere in the text. JoelleJay claimed that the Serres MegaSport website is hosted on WordPress, but, again, one is left dumbfounded: Here is the station's home page. No web host in sight. Are my colleagues perhaps looking up some old, cached version? Lastly, Ginekio is the website for women's football in Cyprus, the name itself, if I still remember my Greek, meaning "by women", "of women."

The sources in the article may not be world-wide famous media, as I already pointed out above. But the subject evidently is well known in her native land, and even more so after taking a public stand against what she perceives as gender bias in the game. -The Gnome (talk) 21:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You linked the omonoianews site, which is purely a republished press release

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Gnomi Online is a namedrop in an announcement listing award recipients: plainly a trivial mention, primary, non-independent, and fails YOUNGATH as the award is for juniors

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Serresmegasport.gr is made with WordPress. You can see the logo used as the tab icon on Chrome, the admin login for the site is through WP, if you look at the source code everything is being loaded from wp-content folders, and the licensing is with WP. But the more pressing issue is the lack of published editorial policy on this site. It's also clearly not a radio station, despite being inexplicably wikilinked to a list of Greek radio stations...

The Epiloges News piece is sourced directly to this facebook group, which is where the interview was originally posted. That is not RS

. The Ginekio piece is just a reprint of Epiloges. JoelleJay (talk) 06:43, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no link to the OmonoiaNews website in the article. And the link you just posted brings up a 404 error warning. What kind of rabbit hole are we been dragged into?
Vasiliou was recognized as the Best Young Footballer of the Year 2015. This is not a trivial award. The award is significant. She was 18 years old when she received so WP:YOUNGATH, which is about "high school and pre-high school athletes" and which you invoked, is irrelevant. To establish that she received the award the Gnomi site is cited and it contains, yes, a single reference to Vasiliou since it's a list of the 2015 awards. The citation is appropriate; it's not a report or an article that simply mentions our subject but a list when a list is needed. Think any awards list.

P.S. Do you have any kind of evidence that Gnomi is "non-independent" as a source? This would assuredly be interesting in more ways than one.

There is no citation from Epiloges in the article. The interview published by the Facebook page to which you linked does not appear in the article. There are two citations from Ginekio; one presents the player's data and confirms her National Team participation, and the other is an interview in which she brings up, again, the issue of gender discrimination,as she sees it. Ginekii is an independent, third-party medium focused on women's football.
Serres MegaSport is a significant source of news on Serres sport life. And they're a radio station alright; if you have enough reach in your equipment, you can tune in at the 91.7 Greek frequency and hear for yourself. A "published editorial policy" does not by itself guarantee possession of the attributes of a WP:RS, while the absence of one is not evidence of the contrary. You must be thinking of Wikipedia's warning on sponsored content. And as to whether their website has been constructed from this or that toolbox, we should care not one whit.

-The Gnome (talk) 07:27, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I think he is referring to this edit where you linked omonoianews. I'm not getting a 404 code for the omonoianews link either, though I'm not entirely sure that's the one you are referencing. JTtheOG (talk) 16:56, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1. Maybe think about this one a bit more.
2. Awards lists like this are never significant coverage. The listing at Gnomi simply reproduces the announcement by KOP and is therefore not independent or secondary. "Best Junior Footballer" is not a significant award, not that that would be relevant in any way in determining notability (unless you were alleging this junior football award somehow meets ANYBIO, which would be absurd considering no other sports award is considered significant enough to meet ANYBIO).
3. Think this one through too. The content in interviews is by definition primary and non-independent, it does not matter where it is published. NOR explicitly lists interviews as an example of a primary source.
4. You were the one making a big deal about my characterizing SMS as a WordPress site. My emphasis was on the lack of details on editorial policy, which is kind of a deal-breaker for BLPs where we require the highest-quality sourcing. JoelleJay (talk) 20:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe enough has been presented in this AfD, at least by me, so I'm taking my leave.

- The Gnome (talk) 10:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Who is this "he" in the conversation?

Sorry, that was my comment. "He" referred to JoelleJay. JTtheOG (talk) 16:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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