Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurdish immigration into Syria

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:40, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdish immigration into Syria[edit]

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This article contains repeated information from Kurds in Syria article. It also lacks some impartiality, as emigrations to Syria after World War I consisted of Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds and other ethnic groups due to various conflicts, and were not intended for Kurds or a specific people. Sulaimanl (talk) 21:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article is well-sourced and seems to be an SPA target of the nom as they're bludgeoning the talk page trying to picture the topic as merely an opinion (and odd editing on Kurd Mountain) and attempted an A10 speedy. Nate • (chatter) 21:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @MrSchimpf: what I mean is that the article is mentioning information and ignoring others because as I said the emigrations after the First World War to Jazira were not consisted by only Kurds so that we call them “Kurdish immigration” because De Vaumas Étienne mentioned Assyrians, Arabs, Kurds and others , he also said in p. 10 of his book La Djezireh syrienne et son réveil économique « Most of them are Sunnis but there are also among them Christians, Jacobites and of the Armenian rite, as well as Yazidis included in the group of Havergans with whom they united in the revolt and in the exodus… Jazira welcomed Christians of all sects and from various origins, from Turkey and Iraq for the most part. From eight to nine thousand Assyro-Chaldeans, Nestorians and Chaldean Catholics from the regions of Mosul and Baghdad, were settled, under the control of the League of Nations, on the banks of the Khabur. ». This is why I have proposed to create an article that talks about Immigration to Syria in general or merge those information with Kurds in Syria article because it’s repeated information first and used in a not neutral way second. I don’t see what do you mean by “bludgeoning the talk page” or what odd editing on Kurd Mountain have to do with this but anyways I am active in the Arabic Wikipedia not a SPA if you look at my contributions there, you’ll see they are on diverse and peaceful topics. I read the article by accident and the way it’s written caught my attention because it is strange to create an article about the "immigration" of a group while ignoring other groups in emigrations that included them all, and it is difficult to believe the innocent motives behind its creation. However, If the title of the article had been Migrations into Syria and mention every details on it, it would have been neutral at least. I’m not calling for vandalism, on the contrary I support any suggestion that contributes to the development of the topic so that it does not become a POV. Sulaimanl (talk) 22:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, History, and Syria. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:53, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I am not an expert on this subject but my inspection of the article and its sources suggest it is well-sourced and reasonably well-written and should be of general interest. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:13, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@WeirdNAnnoyed: Thank you for your participation and sorry I have modified my comment and didn’t saw yours. I agree with you to keep the content but either merge articles or create a general article about immigration into Syria, so that we do not link population jumps to the displaced Kurds only while other ethnic groups were displaced too into Jazira with large numbers. Sulaimanl (talk) 00:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CommentI also believe the article could be an interesting one. Bu on the 'well sourced' issue...At least the tables give limited info on the topic into Syria. One is only for the Hasakah Governorate in 1939, and the other one on several years also only on the Al Jazirah Governorate, and then also not specifically relating to Kurds but for in general. I'll go after some of the other sources to double check before making a keep vote.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:33, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A group of POV-pushing users have been trying to hide this part of the history of this region of Syria, and would remove any sourced material from reliable sources that goes against their POV. The same behavior can be witnessed in other similar articles such as Arab Belt and Syrian Kurdistan. Thank you. New Aramean (talk) 07:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I cant see the merits of this nomination. If the nominator wants to expand on the Armenian migration to Syria, he is free to create an article for it. As for the tables: Jazira is part of Syria, and part of the Kurdish inhabited regions in Syria that received the migration. The only argument against them is that they should be contextualised if they are not already are, but deleting them is too far.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 09:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Attar-Aram syria: I have nothing against the content, I nominated the article for deletion because it contains repeated information in addition to some general information. In the case of detailing the topic, I think we can create an article about Migration into Syria in general so that we do not try to link migration and emigration into Jazira and population jumps to a specific people. The cited sources mention many other details about the migrations of other people to the Jazira region and the topic is not limited to that. Sulaimanl (talk) 11:49, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes @Attar-Aram syria, context is needed and maybe you can help as you know how good articles must look like. But tables that do not show how many Kurds immigrated to Syria or only show the demographics of the general population which specifically do not include ethnic distinctions, in my opinion don't fit in an article on Kurdish immigration into Syria. But I absolutely also tend to a keep, because neeedless to say, there existed an immigration into Syria. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Paradise Chronicle: Exactly, this is what I meant by linking topics as the article contained an individual opinion especially with the tables, in a way that makes it look like an attempt to make the issue of immigration to Al-Hasakah limited to the Kurds. And I said from the beginnings that the informations were used in a wrong way and I didn’t said that the ressources are the ones that have a problem, or if the article was well sourced so many here didn’t understand my point. I maybe rushed to nominate the article for deletion after I saw the repetition, the lack of contexts and the wrong used informations, but if we can develop the content I think that it is important to create an article that mentions the various migrations to the region, because as there were Kurdish exodus from Turkey due to various conflicts, there were Assyrian exodus and migrations from Turkey to Syria, specifically Al-Hasakah Governorate, and from Iraq to Syria, especially in 1933 around Al-Khabour in the same region. The issue of immigration to Al-Hasakah is not limited to a specific people, there is a lot to mention and a clear context is needed. Sulaimanl (talk) 23:12, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets WP:GNG, and is well sourced and constructed.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:40, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep is or at least was not good sourced and constructed in my opinion, but a Kurdish immigration into Syria existed.21:04, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Keep passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:33, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Onel5969 and Pharaoh of the Wizards. Okoslavia (talk) 16:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.