Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kristine Sa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. --Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kristine Sa

Singer whose claim to fame is performing at anime conventions. However, she's signed to a non-notable label, the article reads like a profile and not an encyclopedia article, and outside the four albums, two of which Amazon has not heard of (one of the albums isn't out yet), the article doesn't assert any kind of notability. It's here due to the discography, since that probably counts as such an assertion. Core desat 22:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keep and reformat. Hopeless Romantic is out, you can order it directly from the record label, like you can order the two anime albums too. Something not being in Amazon is not valid reason to believe some album doesn't exist. Monni 22:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 11:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This individual or her has been discussed or interviewed on several independent websites; I think she meets WP:N. I would argue that her label's lack or notability isn't relevant in the discussion of whether her article should stay. The article is pretty rough, but I took the liberty of dropping some of the most inappropriate material, etc. Scienter 12:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Scienter. Acalamari 18:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Indepent albums aren't enough for notability. Where are these independent websites, and do those establish notability? --Wirbelwind (talk) 04:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment@Wirbelwind Sorry for the delay, I forgot to go get those websites. Now I should be clear that I don't know this woman or her work and I think the case for notability is a close one, but here's what I've found: Interview of Kristine Sa on AsiaFinest.com Interview of Kristine Sa on Vietscape.com Interview of Kristine Sa on MillionarePlayboy.com

Whether or not these establish notability is debatable of course but its more than some profiled on Wikipedia. Scienter 18:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would call the non-triviality of those sources into question, especially seeing as the first interview appears to have been conducted in an instant messaging program. None of them seem to establish notability. --Core desat 23:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply@Core desat Respectfully, I would ask you examine the sources I've listed again and see if you still feel that way. I would genuinely appreciate your comments.

[1] To me, this information establishes that if definitely not famous, this website is not trivial. Could you please elaborate as to how the manner in which the interview was conducted establishes or removes credibility? I hadn't considered that point before.

[2] This website has, or at least claims to have, had over 6,000,000 visits. This leads me to believe the source is not trivial (although admittedly not famous).

[3] This website has had their authors' content discussed in/on AOL, CNET, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Raleigh-Durham News & Observer. Admittedly, this one is razor thin as the articles by the authors do not credit the website in question to which they all collectively contribute.

Your comment that the websites do not establish the notability of their content by their anonymity is well taken, but my feeling is that these sites are sufficiently non-trivial that their coverage of the subject of the article establishes her notability. As I've stated before, I think this is a close one.

Thanks, Scienter 12:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was referring to the interviews and not the websites themselves, though all three of the websites are non-notable (they wouldn't meet WP:WEB, but that's an issue for another time). I would never consider an interview conducted in an instant messenger a reliable source. The second and third interviews are better, but they still don't establish anything other than that she's a singer signed to a non-notable record label. --Core desat 16:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the source of the first interview is not instant messenger, its the website that posted the interview, with the mode of the interviewing taking place over some internet chat program. I'm not sure I agree with you on your comment re: WP:WEB, but I will whole-heartedly agree that this is not the place to discuss it. Isn't the point of this AfD discussion to determine whether she herself is notable, irregardless of her music label? My impression of the article is that it is about Kristine Sa, not about her record label. My opinion of the websites are that they are non-trivial sources of information that establish her notability. Thanks for the responses & good points. Cheers, Scienter 19:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No assertion of notability.--Bryson 14:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Doesn't adequately meet WP:Music yet. Could so in the future, in which case by all means re-create, but we cannot crystal ball on the matter. A1octopus 15:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.