Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krazy Dee
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Redirect to N.W.A. and the Posse. And a sidenote, that this is one of the least civil debates I have witnessed to date. If it was within the remit of AfD, there would also be some user blocks in my closing. JERRY talk contribs 02:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable musician/rapper. The only verifiable information I can find is that he co-wrote 1 early non-hit NWA song ("Panic Zone") and provided back-up vocals on The D.O.C.'s first album. Aside from some non-notable solo releases, that's it. He claims to have been a member of NWA but none of their biographies mention him; it seems more like he was a fringe associate rather than a member or true collaborator. Fails WP:MUSIC. Precious Roy (talk) 12:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Precious Roy (talk) 12:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteRedirect to N.W.A. and the Posse. I couldn't find much about him, although he does seem to have been involved in the early days of NWA - the album listed in the article appears to be by a different artist called Kazy D from Texas. --Michig (talk) 14:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Any notability comes from working with NWA - there's not a lot to say about him it seems, so best to mention him in the NWA article (if it can be sourced) and change this to a redirect.--Michig (talk) 19:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Right you are about the Kazy D record (I've removed it). Not sure how reliable that askmen.com reference is, the content seems to have been taken straight from Krazy Dee's MySpace page, or even the Wikipedia entry itself (the Ghetto Godz bit is the tip-off). I'd really like to see something from a better source (as you said). Precious Roy (talk) 15:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Just noticed that Wikipedia is listed as a source at the end of the askmen.com article—that makes it unreliable, so I've removed that content from the article. Precious Roy (talk) 13:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 'Comment - The album is Krazy Dee's not Krazy D. Just look at All Music Guide to understand what I'm saying. --Flesh-n-Bone 20:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The album is by Kazy D wit da 187 Klick - different guy I think - some guy from Texas - doesn't look like Krazy Dee on the sleeve -see here.--Michig (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - A cover is not a source. Even I can make such shit and make it a source. Who knows if it's not photoshopped.--Flesh-n-Bone 18:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Kazy D and Krazy D are not the same person. See Amazon - Kazy D has a few releases here. Or search for yourself for the Letter from tha grave album - all those sites haven't faked the sleeve.--Michig (talk) 19:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - A cover is not a source. Even I can make such shit and make it a source. Who knows if it's not photoshopped.--Flesh-n-Bone 18:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The album is by Kazy D wit da 187 Klick - different guy I think - some guy from Texas - doesn't look like Krazy Dee on the sleeve -see here.--Michig (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Right you are about the Kazy D record (I've removed it). Not sure how reliable that askmen.com reference is, the content seems to have been taken straight from Krazy Dee's MySpace page, or even the Wikipedia entry itself (the Ghetto Godz bit is the tip-off). I'd really like to see something from a better source (as you said). Precious Roy (talk) 15:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - How the hell is he non-notable... OMG, is this deletion fo' real. He was with (as you made fun) an associate and posse member. That alone will put him notable. He also appears in the music video for Straight Outta Compton which is extremely notable. If he is non-notable let's nominate N.W.A for deletion too? Right? He has also an All Music Guide page. Not notable enough? He has also been signed before to Ruthless Records a extremely notable rap label. He dropped a solo album (per AMG) named "A Letter from tha Grave" in 1995. Huh? Still non-notable. Every one is non-notable as you seem to say. I am about to cry to see that your editing same articles I do. *tears* And what has life come to? Are you ignorant to West Coast rap or what. Because next is to AFD an article like N.W.A. Hell if he is non-notable tell me who is notable? ROFL @ it comes from same person who thought Lil Eazy is just a little kid with a mic and is completely non-notable. God... --Flesh-n-Bone 20:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. For notability he needs to pass WP:MUSIC - he doesn't have enough releases or enough coverage to pass. Allmusic have an empty entry for him - they haven't even bothered with a biography for him - and the link appears to be to a different artist's album. If you think he passes WP:MUSIC somehow, please provide some evidence. If nobody else has written about him, he doesn't merit an article here.--Michig (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - WP:MUSIC says "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." N.W.A is notable, he has credit for it and that one passes it. I will try to show more reasons. Also a side-note he has appeared on "Real Muthaphuckkin G's" music video by Eazy-E. --Flesh-n-Bone 21:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment He co-wrote "Panic Zone", the flipside of the "Dopeman" single. Definitely not a "notable composition". And if appearing in a music video made one notable, think of all the anonymous booty dancers who'd have articles here. Precious Roy (talk) 21:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Krazy Dee is an official musician, not an annonym. Panic Zone is notable enough to give him credit. This nomination is WP:Crystal at finest. --Flesh-n-Bone 18:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You have no idea what WP:CRYSTAL is, do you? Can you explain how it applies to this nomination? Precious Roy (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Krazy Dee is an official musician, not an annonym. Panic Zone is notable enough to give him credit. This nomination is WP:Crystal at finest. --Flesh-n-Bone 18:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment He co-wrote "Panic Zone", the flipside of the "Dopeman" single. Definitely not a "notable composition". And if appearing in a music video made one notable, think of all the anonymous booty dancers who'd have articles here. Precious Roy (talk) 21:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - WP:MUSIC says "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." N.W.A is notable, he has credit for it and that one passes it. I will try to show more reasons. Also a side-note he has appeared on "Real Muthaphuckkin G's" music video by Eazy-E. --Flesh-n-Bone 21:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. For notability he needs to pass WP:MUSIC - he doesn't have enough releases or enough coverage to pass. Allmusic have an empty entry for him - they haven't even bothered with a biography for him - and the link appears to be to a different artist's album. If you think he passes WP:MUSIC somehow, please provide some evidence. If nobody else has written about him, he doesn't merit an article here.--Michig (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:MUSIC. The article claims notability.Tasc0 It's a zero! 22:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Comment Not sure what part of WP:MUSIC is met by "claim[ing] notability". I like how FnB called you over here and you put up the {{notaballot}} tag. Nice touch. Precious Roy (talk) 01:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It claims he was a member of the rap group N.W.A, which is notable. And are you assuming bad faith? I don't appreciate your tone. Tasc0 It's a zero! 05:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I've removed that claim—the askmen.com article lists Wikipedia as one of the sources for the article, making it unreliable. It pains me that you don't appreciate my "tone"; I was merely pointing out the irony of your actions—no bad faith assumed or implied. Precious Roy (talk) 13:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't matter if you remove the source, because sourced or unsourced it's a claim of notability. I've been in a similar situation like this one before. Tasc0 It's a zero! 23:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Claiming notability is a reason for denying a speedy deletion, which this is not. In an AfD you actually have to show that the person is notable. Since the claim was supported by an unreliable source, removing it from the article was a valid action. If anyone can come up with 1 reliable source that says he really was a full member of NWA I'll change my opinion from delete to keep. Precious Roy (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, you nominated the article saying it is not notable, so I thought it should be a keep per your nomination. If the source is not reliable, that's a different story. Tasc0 It's a zero! 05:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Claiming notability is a reason for denying a speedy deletion, which this is not. In an AfD you actually have to show that the person is notable. Since the claim was supported by an unreliable source, removing it from the article was a valid action. If anyone can come up with 1 reliable source that says he really was a full member of NWA I'll change my opinion from delete to keep. Precious Roy (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't matter if you remove the source, because sourced or unsourced it's a claim of notability. I've been in a similar situation like this one before. Tasc0 It's a zero! 23:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I've removed that claim—the askmen.com article lists Wikipedia as one of the sources for the article, making it unreliable. It pains me that you don't appreciate my "tone"; I was merely pointing out the irony of your actions—no bad faith assumed or implied. Precious Roy (talk) 13:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- On a side note, don't even talk abt me. --Flesh-n-Bone 18:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You asked Tasco to come here and I pointed it out. So what? Precious Roy (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment' I have retired as an editor in wiki and do whatever, but that's prolly my last edit/comment: Don't mention me, I don't give a fuck if you "pointed out" something or whatever. Don't mention my name; I don't accept it meanwhile. Do a research on your knowledge your probably the most biased person I've seen on earth. --Flesh-n-Bone 15:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Blah blah blah WP:CIVIL, blah blah WP:NPA blah blah, etc., etc. If I'm the most biased person you've ever seen then you've led a pretty sheltered life. (Please let me know what my bias is; I'm dying to know.) I'm not sure what you mean by "I don't accept it meanwhile"; perhaps you can use the time you used to spend on Wikipedia to study the English language. Expressing yourself clearly is a valuable skill—with time and effort, some day that skill could be yours. Precious Roy (talk) 15:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My English language is good enough. I don't accept you talk about me. I wanted to add something in the end when said "meanwhile" but decided to not. PS: WP:CIVIL can D.M.D. CYA, I ain't wasting time with you! --Flesh-n-Bone 16:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Good enough? "I don't accept you talk about me"—what the hell does that even mean??! If you're leaving, just go already. Later, gangsta! Precious Roy (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My English language is good enough. I don't accept you talk about me. I wanted to add something in the end when said "meanwhile" but decided to not. PS: WP:CIVIL can D.M.D. CYA, I ain't wasting time with you! --Flesh-n-Bone 16:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Blah blah blah WP:CIVIL, blah blah WP:NPA blah blah, etc., etc. If I'm the most biased person you've ever seen then you've led a pretty sheltered life. (Please let me know what my bias is; I'm dying to know.) I'm not sure what you mean by "I don't accept it meanwhile"; perhaps you can use the time you used to spend on Wikipedia to study the English language. Expressing yourself clearly is a valuable skill—with time and effort, some day that skill could be yours. Precious Roy (talk) 15:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment' I have retired as an editor in wiki and do whatever, but that's prolly my last edit/comment: Don't mention me, I don't give a fuck if you "pointed out" something or whatever. Don't mention my name; I don't accept it meanwhile. Do a research on your knowledge your probably the most biased person I've seen on earth. --Flesh-n-Bone 15:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You asked Tasco to come here and I pointed it out. So what? Precious Roy (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It claims he was a member of the rap group N.W.A, which is notable. And are you assuming bad faith? I don't appreciate your tone. Tasc0 It's a zero! 05:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Not sure what part of WP:MUSIC is met by "claim[ing] notability". I like how FnB called you over here and you put up the {{notaballot}} tag. Nice touch. Precious Roy (talk) 01:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Just wondering why, when NWA has had books written about them and in-depth profiles in major magazines like Rolling Stone and The Source, Krazy Dee is not mentioned in any of them; he only appears in online bios of questionable reliability. Is there a conspiracy to keep him out of the history of the group? I'm not trying to be a smartass here—I really want to know why the editors who are sure that he was a member of the group (for two years!) think this is. At the very least, you'd think he'd get mentioned in Jerry Heller's book. Precious Roy (talk) 13:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - He's been alongside N.W.A if that's not notable then who is? AND HAVE YOU REALLY READ THRU' EVERY BOOK ABOUT THE GROUP? If so, LMAO! --Flesh-n-Bone 16:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The article should be kept, Krazy Dee was a member of N.W.A in the N.W.A and the Posse. Read "Dr. Dre: The Biography", that book confirms it.Same As It Ever Was (talk) 23:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment What page is that on? Because I just looked here and he's not listed in the index, and if you search the word "Krazy" there's only one instance and it's "Krazy Glue" not Krazy Dee. And N.W.A and the Posse is a compilation album—you're not implying that everyone on that record was in NWA, are you? Precious Roy (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I disagree with suggestions to redirect—he co-wrote 1 song so he deserves to be mentioned in the group's article? Precious Roy (talk) 01:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I said "if it can be sourced". OK? The album that he (hopefully undisputedly) appeared on would seem a better redirect target. A redirect wouldn't imply any notability - it would just be an aid to anyone who happened to search for him.--Michig (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect, unless someone can provide any indication that more verifiable content is out there. I suspect that what's there now is very close to the limit of what this article could ever say while meeting Wikipedia policies (I know what's there now isn't cited, and is therefore not currently meeting Wikipedia policies, but I'm guessing a citation could probably be found for the current content, but little else). Tuf-Kat (talk) 21:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect or merge per Tuf-Kat. Tasc0 It's a zero! 23:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect, seems to have been at best a fringe associate of NWA. Maybe put a brief mention of him in their article if anything verifiable can be found on him. Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.