Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koya Bhagat

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The result was Delete. --MelanieN (talk) 00:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Koya Bhagat

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Article about a supposed saint, only references provided have been a forum post and a blog site neither of which are reliable. Searches do not provide any further information on this saint. Therefore this fails WP:GNG and WP:RELPEOPLE. - McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 23:19, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete as A7. Lacks a credible claim of significance. Gparyani (talk) 23:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Being a saint is a significant claim.- McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 23:22, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Would it cause a person to be notable? Doesn't seem so. Gparyani (talk) 23:23, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's enough to pass the lower threshold of A7, if indeed a saint there should be some sort of scripture or more coverage to prove it at least to the threshold of WP:RELPEOPLE.- McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 23:26, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: If the subject really was a saint, then he/she would presumably be notable; if he/she was not an (official) saint, this article should be deleted as a hoax per CSD G3. St Anselm (talk) 03:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tribhuvandas Luhar, who wrote a poem about him. A simple GBooks search indicates that "legendary poet" is the best descriptor for the subject. St Anselm (talk) 03:58, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment: He is mentioned at Adivasi#Adivasi sants (which clears up the whole "saint" idea). St Anselm (talk) 04:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as an autobiography. This article was created by a user named Koyabhagat. With that being said, it's likely not a hoax.Gparyani (talk) 06:56, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, the subject is a 17th- or 18th-century figure, so no - not an autobiography. And no COI, any more than I have editing Saint Anselm. St Anselm (talk) 07:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as apparent hoax. Unacceptable as is anyway and if really a saint the article creator or someone else would/should have made a proper article of it. Quis separabit? 19:44, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as there is no significant coverage in reliable sources, and hence he fails WP:Notability (people). "Bhagat" (devotee) seems to be a Hindu title for a saint. One line of Koya's writing is quoted at the beginning of Chapter 4 (page 130) in Narasinha Mehta of Gujarat: A Legacy of Bhakti in Songs and Stories (2014) by Neelima Shukla-Bhatt, giving as a source in the footnote on page 273, Motu Bhajan Bhandar. By which he may have meant the book Anal motun Bhajan bhandar which is written in Gujarati. Neelima Shukla-Bhatt confirms that Koya came from the Koli community and wrote in the 18th century. Unfortunately the Koya are also a tribe in Andhra Pradesh which makes searching more difficult. The Gujarati poet Tribhovandas Luhar 'Sunderam' (1908-1991) wrote a poem entitled "Koya Bhagatni Kadvi Vani" ("Saint Koya's Harsh Indictment") (It was the lead poem in his 1933 collection of the same name.). The book Gujarat by Hiralaxmi Navanitbhai Shah Dhanya Gurjari Kendra does not discuss Koya in the section on literature, nor in any other section. The book The Indian millennium, AD 1000-2000: The Most Comprehensive And Accessible Single-Volume Reference Guide Available To The Events And Personalities That Shaped India Over The Thousand Years From Ad 1000 To 2000 (Penguin, 2000) does not mention him. I found no evidence that Bhagat Koya was a poet, although he could have been. Aside from being the title persona of Sunderam's poem, and the brief mention of him by Neelima Shukla-Bhatt I found no other coverage in reliable sources. It is possible that there may be coverage of him in Anal motun Bhajan bhandar, but WorldCat did not list any libraries holding that title OCLC 59922162. --Bejnar (talk) 22:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bejnar. St Anselm (talk) 01:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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