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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Escape room. Randykitty (talk) 06:13, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Koszalin escape room fire[edit]

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With due respect to the victims, this doesn't seem to be a notable event, at least not yet. If there were a section in the Escape room article about accidents/incidents, it would be a clear merge, but there isn't. There is of course the possibility of this tragedy leading to legislation, but keeping it because of that at this juncture would be premature. ansh666 02:48, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. I wasn't aware when I nominated this that this is actually the only noteworthy accident to happen at an escape room so far, which I think is actually rather remarkable. In that case, a merge does seem to be the best option. ansh666 19:22, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
After thinking about it a bit more, I'm going to withdraw the nomination. ansh666 19:50, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. ansh666 02:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. ansh666 02:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. ansh666 02:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - A fire, reported by the international mainstream media, which killed five teenagers who were taking part in a hobby which has become popular during the past few years, appears to be notable enough for an article. The likely reason for the lack of a section about incidents on escape room is due to no tragedies having happened at such places before. Jim Michael (talk) 04:05, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Polish language article has been nominated for deletion on plwiki. I would say merge adding a section to escape room. NOTNEWS applies here. If the event has later effects, then we can always recreate the article. Some later effects have been identified, so I no longer have an opinion on keep vs. merge. buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 06:11, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, agree WP:NOTNEWS, if Keep as this tragic event becomes truly is significant ie. authorities introducing special legislation on escape rooms due to this then article may be recreated. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:46, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Escape room as it's definitely a significant incident in relation to that topic. That there isn't a section in that article to merge too isn't a barrier to merging - one can be created. -Pontificalibus 06:57, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per above, the article fails WP:NOTNEWS but there's no reason we should remove the information from the site entirely. If the fire becomes notable we can recreate the article. SportingFlyer talk 07:31, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Arguably notable for being the first reported deaths in an escape room, and early reports indicate that it will lead to some significant reforms/regulations in escape room safety at least in Poland: "...From tomorrow all escape rooms, game centers and clubs will undergo fire safety inspections with special attention paid to evacuation plans, escape routes in these type of locations."[1]; "Previously, there was no official requirement for fire safety certificates at such locations."[2] Safety concerns sparked by the incident have apparently led to the closure of a number of these rooms across Poland.[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ereb0r (talk • contribs) 01:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/europe/teens-die-poland-escape-room-fire-koszalin/index.html
  2. ^ https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-escape-room-20190105-story.html
  3. ^ https://www.dw.com/en/poland-to-shut-down-13-escape-rooms-over-safety-flaws/a-46974351
That certainly makes it notable. Jim Michael (talk) 07:38, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, it does not. WP:CRYSTAL, etc. The subject matter of this article is non-notable, Delete immediately. 50.111.13.35 (talk) 11:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
An unprecedented number of inspections of escape rooms & an order to close some of them has occurred in reaction to this fire. The article quotes the Polish PM. That's already happened; it's not mere speculation. Jim Michael (talk) 11:27, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CRYSTAL doesn't work when it's already led to unprecendented changes and public discussion over how/to what extent these places are regulated. And again, that's on top of this being the first disaster of its kind anywhere. Nothing you wrote after "WP:CRYSTAL" stands as a sufficient counterpoint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ereb0r (talk • contribs) 19:07, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to escape room. Jmertel23 (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - this event is likely to have a big influence on the future of escape rooms, and I think it would be very appropriate to list it under Escape room#History, I see it is already briefly mentioned there. -Cake~talk 20:34, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the nation-wide emergency inspections and closures, with matching media coverage, has made this more than a horrible incident - it has its own notability and has satisfied LASTING. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, have changed my "vote" as it is significant, thanks. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as this appalling event gets worldwide coverage.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - event is significant enough and has received sufficient coverage to be considered notable..--Staberinde (talk) 17:25, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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