Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koreatown, Fort Lee

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Fort Lee, New Jersey. Feel free to merge to whatever article you deem appropriate. Discuss on talk pages as needed. Missvain (talk) 03:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Koreatown, Fort Lee[edit]

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I recently nominated a very similar article for deletion (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koreatown, Palisades Park) and it was brought to my attention that this article also exists. This article is actually worse than the Palisades Park one. No reliable source mentions a Fort Lee "Koreatown". Yes, it does have a large Korean population, but this article is 100% WP:SYNTH. Climate, transportation, new organizations, medical care, etc. are just basically copied and pasted from the Fort Lee, New Jersey article to make it appear that more content exists. The actual amount of sourced content that discusses the Korean population in Fort Lee could probably be pared down to about two paragraphs (most of which is already covered in the aforementioned Fort Lee article). Rusf10 (talk) 15:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 15:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 15:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 15:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Rusf10 (talk) 15:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Confession: it was I wot noticed this article and its many similarities (including dubious sourcing) to the Palisades Park article. They both need to go, they're both WP:SYNTH. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:31, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep separately: No. For those who are knowledgeable, the two Korean business districts are separate from each other, separated by larges residential areas, and each carries its own flavor and vibe: Koreatown, Palisades Park carries a more mom-and-pop retail presencece while Koreatwon, Fort Lee embodies a more high-end, upscale corporate and financial presence. They are distinct WP: NOTABLE entities indeed. Castncoot (talk) 17:13, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand the two towns are different. Nobody is talking about merging the two articles, we want to delete both of them. There is no "Koreatown, Fort Lee", it is a Neologism--Rusf10 (talk) 20:39, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete The above makes no sense here. Yes there are two separate Koreatowns, but they correspond to two separate municipalities. Palisades Park and Fort Lee are distinct, but the Koreatowns are not a second-degree level of distinct requiring four articles. The residential parts would also be part of the respective Koreatowns and this can be covered in the main article. Moreover, it's incredibly poor writing that Koreatown,_Palisades_Park#Economic_clout and Koreatown,_Fort_Lee#Economic_clout have the same companies listed, likewise duplicating Bergen_County,_New_Jersey#Korean_American and Koreatown#Bergen_County, so which towns are they actually in, and why are they listed in the other ones?! (same for Political clout sections) Reywas92^Talk 17:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It is surprising these two articles were nominated for deletion. A BEFORE search reveals reliable sources for Koreatown in addition to the ones currently in the article already. Both articles should be retained in the encyclopedia. I've lived in New York since the 1980s and have visited both of these Koreatowns (Palisades Park and Fort Lee) several times over the years (yes, we call both of these separate communities "Koreatown"). I'd actually heard of them before I moved to the East Coast, and the Fort Lee Koreatown was the easiest to reach via the GW Bridge. I realize that personal anectdotes mean nothing in an AfD, however, the available sourcing make these articles a clear WP:GNG pass. To delete either article would be a loss for our readership and a detriment to the encyclopedia. Netherzone (talk) 23:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Netherzone:It is amazing that this article has 64 sources and not a single one of them mentions something called "Koreatown" in Fort Lee, A BEFORE search also shows nothing.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fort Lee Koreatown IS Fort Lee, I was unable to find any sources attesting to what parts of the town would be Koreatown and which aren't since it's so small, and the article just refers to the general Korean population and culture of the town. No one's suggesting that the Korean community there doesn't exist, but that it's not a separate topic for a suburb of 35,000. By the way, I just transferred a bunch of content to the Fort Lee article since so much of it was relevant to Fort Lee at large (while some of the rest is about other places in Bergen County and irrelevant here) so it's absurd to suggest losing this as a separate page is a detriment. Reywas92^Talk 01:40, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete there seems to be no difference between Koreatown, Fort Lee and Fort Lee, New Jersey Eccekevin (talk) 02:49, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- They are distinct. Djflem (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I see no evidence of them being distinct. The Fort Lee, New Jersey talks about the Koeatown aspect too, so the articles are redundant. Eccekevin (talk) 01:31, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Koreatown#Bergen County (selective) using info relevant to the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs) 11:30, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:37, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge I'm unconvinced by at least one of the keep !votes; a complete dearth of sources indicates a failure to pass GEOLAND. Merge per ATD. ——Serial 12:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 17:11, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - I think it's covered amply at Fort Lee, New Jersey, but any necessary content can be merged. Fort Lee is just not a large enough to have articles about all its neighborhoods, and there is no substantial history - it says Koreans came to the area in the 1970s. Also, most of the article discusses Koreans in Bergen County, and not about the specific neighborhood. --‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 18:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.