Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kochi Rajavu

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The result was keep. Black Kite (talk) 22:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kochi Rajavu[edit]

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Fails WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Nothing notable on a WP:BEFORE Kolma8 (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Kolma8 (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Kolma8 (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I was able to find a review on Sify - https://www.sify.com/movies/kochi-rajavu-review-malayalam-pclvIIgiffiag.html . There are other reliable sources which indicate that the movie was successful http://specials.rediff.com/movies/2008/feb/12sli1.htm . More references surely existed at the time of release, but they cannot be traced online now as with most other old Malayalam movies of note. Jupitus Smart 14:41, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jupitus Smart:: The first link is to a sify review "By Moviebuzz" while another link mentions the movie less than in passing. Can you please highlight how does it pass WP:NFILM and WP:GNG? Kolma8 (talk) 15:47, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is unclear how the name used by the reviewer would have any bearing on the review. The second article shows that the movie was successful, and coupled with the fact that the movie had a famous set of cast and crew, it is evident that the movie had more reviews in its time. If you may, you can check for any of the recent movies of the cast and crew, all of whom are probably past their prime, to understand the amount of press coverage their movies generate. Just because none of our fellow editors, including me has any incentive in going to newspaper offices to check for newspapers that came at that time, to look for reviews and other write-ups about the movie, doesn't mean we delete all the articles that pre-dated the internet boom in India, and were made in WP:AGF. Best. Jupitus Smart 16:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I really was hoping you will point out which criteria of WP:NFILM and WP:GNG the subject of this article passes/meets... Still disagree with your argument, but I do appreciate you taking your time to provide it. Cheers, Kolma8 (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep as per the reliable source review identfied in this discussion, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:53, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:12, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: I was able to find a review from Times of India [1]. And Kolma8 (talk · contribs), please make sure you nominate the old films for AFD carefully the next time. I happened to see you nominating some movies without doing very thorough WP:Before. Most of the low rated old movies you are nominating for AFD actually has theatrical release. Sadly sources does exist and we cannot keep here and I totally agree with it. But while you nominate some movies where there are some high profile casting involved, you can have some detailed WP:Before. This case itself, sources exist, but its hard to find. So please take some time and if you dont know Malayalam language, its then more hard to find sources. Since these are old movies, its really really hard to find sources. And some recent sources are available in malayalam language. Happy editing Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 12:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kashmorwiki (talk · contribs), thank you for your input and appreciate your effort in saving the article. I wasn't able to find a review from Times of India at the link you have provided. It is merely an IMDB-like entry. Please make sure to provide an actual review that will satisfy WP:NFO, "full-length reviews by ... nationally known critics." I really still don't see the subject of the article meeting WP:NFILM and/or WP:GNG, but do respect opinions of the community. Thank you again... R., Kolma8 (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kolma8 (talk · contribs), WP:NFILM clearly says that in cases where its hard to find sources and establish notability, we consider other option. If the film features significant involvement by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career, then its considered notable. According to a reliable source Times of India and some other ones, some of the major personalities in Malayalam film industry is a part of this film and had a theatrical release which makes it notable by virtue. And about the link I have provided, we don't look whether it is an IMDB like review; We are only considering whether the source is reliable or not. I hope you know Times of India is one of a reliable source here.. Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 06:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Found more sources: Kolma8 (talk · contribs), Since you asked me whether I can show sources, I took some time I dont have because this is clearly a disapppinting nomination for me. So please have a look at all of these. I found more than 5 sources. [2]. This one establishes the movie had theatrical release. And please see [3]. The article mentions that The actress Kavya has also revealed her penchant for comedy through movies like Meesa Madhavan, Kochi Rajavu and Paapy Appacha. See this one [4]. The opening sentence itself says this is conidered as one of the best comedy movies by actor Dileep. And if you want more, please see [5] This one says Veteran Malayalam actor Geetha Salam who has acted in several super hit films such as Gramaphone, Kochi Rajavu... And see this one [6], this one [7] and [8]. (Please have some time to read it or you wont find anything). All these sources confirms that the movie was a major blockbuster and is notable. I hope these ones satisfies you now. So I just want to say one thing to you. You may not get sources for old movies that covers entirely about that movie. But you will surely get lot of sources like this. WP:GNG says multiple sources can be combined together to establish notabilty. And in cases of old movies, this is a big point to consider. You will surely get sources like this if you are doing a very good WP:Before. And if you are short of time for this, then please dont nominate for AFD unnecessarily unless you are sure it dont have sources. Instead you can tag with some notability tag or something like that. Regards Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 06:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kashmorwiki (talk · contribs), thanks for your reply. I have reviewed the references above and in all of them the film is mentioned merely in passing. Again, although I respect your opinion, but reserve my right to disagree with you. Cheers, Kolma8 (talk) 18:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kolma8 (talk · contribs), You can disagree or agree with me. Thats your right and I have nothing to say with it. In my review, the film is notable and have been covered in multiple sources including a review from Time of India. Regards Kichu🐘 ^Discuss 19:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kashmorwiki, this movie does not have a review from Times of India. But, that's fine. Guud luck, Kolma8 (talk) 19:20, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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