Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kimberly Kash
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Fritzpoll (talk) 17:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Contested prod. No notability established. Hasn't won a championship in a notable promotion. No third party sources to help indicate notability. Nikki♥311 15:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. —Nikki♥311 15:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - WP:ATHLETE says that people who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport are considered notable. I did some sleuthing and found that Kash does meet this guideline; [1] contains an interview that the subject of the article has been in Elite Pro Wrestling, Adrenaline Rush Wrestling, NWA Indiana, Fight Sports Midwest, KOTC Charity Show - the NWA is the National Wrestling Alliance. According to the Wikipedia article on the NWA, The National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) is the largest governing body for a group of independent professional wrestling promotions and sanctions various NWA championships in the United States - it seems to me that this qualifies as a 'fully professional level'. So, yes, I would say that Kimberly Kash does satisfy the requirements of WP:ATHLETE and I think this should be kept. JulieSpaulding (talk) 17:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, professional wrestling is different from being a normal athlete, as the "professional" part isn't as clearly defined. Working in small time independent promotions does not make someone notable. Yes, the National Wrestling Alliance itself is notable, but not every promotion within it is. I would compare it to the restaurant chain McDonald's being notable, but not the individual restaurant that is down the street from my house. Or, you can consider small-time promotions equivalent to a "farm league" in baseball. I'd like to point out precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Talia Madison. Madison, like Kash, only competed in a few small-time promotions and did not have any reliable third party sources when her article was deleted. It was continuously deleted as non-notable for months, even after she joined Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (the second most high profile wrestling promotion) and wrestled on television several times. Nikki♥311 20:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment - Hi Nikki, OK, so you're not objecting to me saying that WP:ATHLETE says 'people who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport are considered notable, but you're concerned over whether the NWA is the professional level of wrestling? JulieSpaulding (talk) 03:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi. I'm sorry that I wasn't clear, so hopefully I can explain it a bit better. Kash competed in NWA Indiana, which is a minor promotion within the control of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA). The NWA itself just oversees the territories (from minor to a few bigger ones, see List of National Wrestling Alliance territories), but is not a promotion itself. Also, the NWA was a lot more notable in the past than it is in the present. Not every promotion within it is considered "notable". What I'm saying is that Kash hasn't worked in a "fully professional" capacity because she hasn't worked for any larger promotions or held any championships, within the NWA or elsewhere. She has, however, worked for Shimmer Women Athletes, but only in their Sparkle division. According to the official website [2], "SPARKLE is the pre-show at the live SHIMMER events. It serves as a method of trying out potential new female talent for future appearances on the SHIMMER DVD series without putting their matches on the main show, or releasing those matches on video in any form. Since the SPARKLE matches exist specifically to be dark matches, and to give opportunities to new talent before appearing on our DVDs, we do not release the SPARKLE matches on video." Therefore, I wouldn't consider that meeting the requirements for "fully professional" either. Nikki♥311 23:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- OK then, so are you going delete on this one? JulieSpaulding (talk) 04:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. I nominated it. :) Nikki♥311 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- OK then, so are you going delete on this one? JulieSpaulding (talk) 04:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi. I'm sorry that I wasn't clear, so hopefully I can explain it a bit better. Kash competed in NWA Indiana, which is a minor promotion within the control of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA). The NWA itself just oversees the territories (from minor to a few bigger ones, see List of National Wrestling Alliance territories), but is not a promotion itself. Also, the NWA was a lot more notable in the past than it is in the present. Not every promotion within it is considered "notable". What I'm saying is that Kash hasn't worked in a "fully professional" capacity because she hasn't worked for any larger promotions or held any championships, within the NWA or elsewhere. She has, however, worked for Shimmer Women Athletes, but only in their Sparkle division. According to the official website [2], "SPARKLE is the pre-show at the live SHIMMER events. It serves as a method of trying out potential new female talent for future appearances on the SHIMMER DVD series without putting their matches on the main show, or releasing those matches on video in any form. Since the SPARKLE matches exist specifically to be dark matches, and to give opportunities to new talent before appearing on our DVDs, we do not release the SPARKLE matches on video." Therefore, I wouldn't consider that meeting the requirements for "fully professional" either. Nikki♥311 23:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Hi Nikki, OK, so you're not objecting to me saying that WP:ATHLETE says 'people who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport are considered notable, but you're concerned over whether the NWA is the professional level of wrestling? JulieSpaulding (talk) 03:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: I see no notability within the article nor in my search for enough information to justify the article. Will probably become notable one day. Once she is covered by more reliable sites and works for either ROH, TNA, or WWE. Though if she is very pretty I see WWE picking her up since they couldn't care less about anything else. Anyway, once then, she may be notable, but for now, I don't believe she is. Unless she is related to Kid Kash, and then....she will still not be notable.--WillC 06:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable womens wrestler. Afkatk (talk) 09:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.