Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Killing of Jesse Kirby and John Kirby

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The result was merge‎ to History of slavery in Georgia#Domestic slave trade. If content has already been moved to this target article, feel free to turn this page into a redirect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Killing of Jesse Kirby and John Kirby[edit]

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Fails WP:SUSTAINED. They liberated themselves, and were apprehended again, as reported at the time in the newspapers. If this hasn't received significant attention afterwards, it shouldn't be treated any differently than how we treat the many crimes or human interest stories which get some attention in the newspapers nowadays, but which we don't consider suitable for an article here. I couldn't find anything in Google Books, and the article offers no other indication that this is a case which has been discussed afterwards and is more than just a short burst of (mostly identical) news reports. Creator indicates that they "can't find this in any quality secondary sources" but preferred an AfD over Prod to get more eyes on it. Fram (talk) 15:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Discrimination, History, and Georgia (U.S. state). Fram (talk) 15:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP. Seemed notable instance of slave rebellion in the United States, enough to warrant a mention in The Liberator and a reward from the governor. If not substantial enough for a standalone, would it be considered encyclopedic in some other form? List? Subsection of other page? Thoughts invited. jengod (talk) 15:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Two slaves killing their owner and fleeing is hardly a "slave rebellion". Fram (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  They killed two owners, who had recently purchased them and were moving them three states south! I think certainly slave resistance in the United States bc this wasn't just "I don't like you personally and I want your money" -- IMHO the slave trade in the United States part is key here. There were a number of on-ship Slave rebellions including the coastwise Creole case but men in an overland coffle overpowering their enslavers is fundamentally interesting IMHO. jengod (talk) 15:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/merge I found this 2016 dissertation which discusses it for 2 pages[1]. If discussion agrees on deletion for a stand alone article, then I hope the content will be merged to an appropriate location rather than deleted entirely.--User:Namiba 15:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for surfacing this Namiba. I expanded w material therein. jengod (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or at least Merge into History of slavery in Georgia, where there is a dearth of information about slave trading and slavery law between statehood and the civil war. Even Slave trade in the United States covers the situation in Georgia better, and is another merger target, too. This article is an example of inter-state slave trading that was going on at the time, despite it being illegal in Georgia. Preserve the statement about the law, as a minimum, because that meets WP:SUSTAINED, even if the rest of the article does not. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:19, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to History of slavery in Georgia. I would like to see more than a single dissertation to convince me that there was sustained coverage of this event. That being said, I think this is a useful example to mention in a larger article as Cameron Dewe notes. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I just created a section of History of slavery in Georgia#Domestic slave trade with info about the Kirbys, the Hamburg SC slave market, and a case in Savannah in 1843, so if result is merge, that would be a suitable redirect target. :) Cheers jengod (talk) 19:31, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me! Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.