Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khoirabari massacre

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 12:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Khoirabari massacre[edit]

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Not a single source does cover the subject any significantly.I note this which suffers from first-person exaggeration and can't be corroborated across other media sources of the time.

Each covers the basic details in a paragraph or so, amidst a narrative of the numerous clashes and killings, that took place during the tumultuous times.Some just mentions a line.

Overall, I seek a merge and redirect to Assam Movement.See this comment by another editor, on a similar locus, as to the problems with the article by this editor. ∯WBG^converse 09:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett (talk) 10:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett (talk) 10:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Sheldybett (talk) 10:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This massacre happened during the Assam Agitation or the Assam Movement (1979-1985) which was for the expulsion of illegal immigrants in Assam. It had nothing to do with either making Assamese language the official language or the medium of instruction or making Bengali language the official language in Barak Valley. No one campaigned for language rights. In fact a section of the immigrants from Bangladesh - the Bengali speaking Muslims - had by then adopted the Assamese language and culture and got integrated in the greater Assamese society as Na-Asamiya. But still the Assam Agitation called for their expulsion. So it has got nothing to do with language movement as such. Hence the request for merge and redirect itself is invalid. BengaliHindu (talk) 15:56, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, if I analyse the sources:--

This reference mentions (There was a clash) in Khoirabari, a Bengali Hindu settlement about 25 kilometers north of Mangaldoi.

Nothing more nothing less.

And, the book has mentioned ample communal clashes which dispels the doubt that it was something way-extraordinary during those tumultuous spans.

This devotes five lines to the clashes.

Trivialest of trivial mentions.

Ref-4 i.e. this source does not even mention the topic and has been used to source a miscellaneous fact.

I have searched across JSTOR, SAGE et al but nothing. Also see WP:NOPAGE.

∯WBG^converse 18:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The sources in the article talk mainly about the killing of Muslim immigrants by Hindu villagers, not the killing of Hindu villagers. Clearly, there was some serious unrest in the area, and with hundreds of people killed (as stated in the sources), an article on this topic is justified. However, our current article is so far from the source descriptions that this is a clear case for POV WP:TNT. Rammohun's book, for instance, characterises the events as villagers against immigrants, rather than religion based, and describes instances of Muslim attacks on Muslims. On the failure to find "Khoirabari massacre" as a search term, it may be that a more neutral article title is needed, although the number of deaths is certainly well into "massacre" territory. SpinningSpark 10:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Comment: This should be considered along with all the other "massacre" pages that শক্তিশেল has created. There's also "{{Persecution of Bengali Hindus in Assam}}".—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 12:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Did significant copy-edit, clean-up, expansion and added references. Please don't get confused, there were many massacres in 1983. In a detailed investigative report, the Indian journalist Arun Shourie called the violence a "Hobbesian war of all against all": They testified not so much to "communalism" as to the total breakdown of governance: in Nellie Lalung tribals killed Bengali Muslims, in Kokrajhar sub- division Boro Kacharis fought Bengali Hindus and Muslims; in Goreswar and Khairabari Sarani and Boro Kacharis fought Bengali Hindus; in Gohpur Boros fought Assamese Hindus; in Dhemaji and Jonai Mishing tribals fought Bengali Hindus and Muslims; in Samaguri Muslims killed Hindus; in Dhaila and Thekrabari again Muslims killed Hindus; in Chaowlkhowa Chapori Assamese Hindus and Muslims together killed Bengali Muslims. And each community that was a victim in one place was a predator in another.Baruah, Immigration, Ethnic Conflict, and Political Turmoil--Assam, 1979-1985 Each of these are notable events. This article is also about one such event. It should not be confused with the Chaulkhowa Chapori massacre which is a totally separate incident. POV, if any should be removed. But that should not the reason to delete the article. BengaliHindu (talk) 14:52, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but those quotations do not in any way justify a separate article. That's not to say that an article isn't possible, but those quotes don't do it for me. They are passing mentions of just one more incident in a much bigger picture of unrest. I took the trouble to review the article and sources in detail once. I'm not doing it again. It's down to you now to explicitly point to sources (with page numbers) that discuss the subject in depth as required by GNG. Then I might take a second look to see if the reworked article actually agrees with the sources. SpinningSpark 15:49, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - for now. Decent enough sources after expansion etc. Deaths are according to me up to Massacre status. That is my take on this. With that being said it still needs improvements when Kept.BabbaQ (talk) 12:13, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 10:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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