Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keri Sable

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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keri Sable[edit]

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Minor or insignificant awards no longer cut the mustard. Therefore fails gng and pornbio. Note that the article reads like a press release. Spartaz ^Humbug! 23:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep passes WP:PORNBIO#1 ("Has won a well-known and significant industry award"). In 2002, the St. Petersburg Times noted that the NightMoves Award were "the third largest in the porn industry". Other porn industry award ceremonies held in 2002 include AVN, XRCO, Venus, and NINFA, which are all considered well-known/significant industry awards by consensus, satisfying PORNBIO ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5] & [6]). If at least two out of the four awards I've listed are smaller than NightMoves and still considered well-known/significant enough to meet PORNBIO, than NightMoves also satisfies PORNBIO. Sable won New Starlet, a newcomer award, which have overwhelming consensus favoring their inclusion in PORNBIO. Rebecca1990 (talk) 05:03, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Largest" is a pretty meaningless term in the context of an awards ceremony. What does it refer to? The attendance? That isn't enough to establish notability; every single NFL game, many college football games, many college basketball games, and even high school football games in Texas likely had higher attendance, but they don't get individual articles (or, in most cases, rivalry articles). The size of the venue for the ceremony? The number of awards given out? It has nothing to do with how well-known or significant the award is. That single press report doesn't say the award is well-known, or that it's regarded as significant. All you've found is a single, isolated, unexplained comment in the local news coverage of the hometown newspaper in the market where the non-notable which gives out these awards is published. Where is the evidence that the Nightmoves awards are well-known and significant? A vague reference to "largest" isn't enough. UCLA graduations are "larger" events than this awards ceremony (and many more notable people take part), but that's not enough to support a claim of notability for "UCLA graduations", and quite certainly wouldn't support the claim that the awards UCLA gives out to outstanding graduating students are well-known and significant. For that matter, the NightMoves awards don't seem to be porn industry awards, as required by PORNBIO. They're given out by a single non-notable local magazine centered on strip clubs, which has some connection to the pornographic film/video industry, but isn't part of it. In all the discussions over the last few years regarding PORNBIO, possible revisions, and its interpretation, not one editor suggested that these awards met the PORNBIO standard. A single ambiguous statement in a single piece of local news coverage isn't enough to overturn that consensus. And it's also a measure of the actual significance of the awards that none of the newspapers you cite in the awards article and in these discussions, not one of those newspapers bothered to report who the actual awards winners were. Thar's a very clear signal as to the significance those sources actually viewed the awards as having. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 05:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Spartaz's sound srguments and my comments above. Awards given out by non-notable local giveaway magazines with negligible editorial content generally do nothing to establish notability. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 05:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete puff pieces about the award that do not mention the winners show that they are not notable wins. Delete the article, the subject is not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets of PORNBIO. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 19:45, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails PORNBIO & GNG. –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 22:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Rebecca1990.--Hillary Scott`love (talk) 18:31, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This particular actor has appeared in over 100 films. I'm not thrilled by the article, but it satisfies our policies and guidelines. This topic passes WP:N, whose basic concept is that the topic attracts the attention of the world at large. Porn-actor nominations need to focus on WP:V and WP:NOT. WP:V has not been questioned. Relevant discussion for WP:NOT so far is that it reads like a press release, but it is not a press release; so while it is a point that needs some attention, is a point that can be handled with editing, and AfD is not cleanup. The 2007 bio at this webpage states that the topic has appeared, "on the cover of the June 2005 issue of AVN Magazine and the September 2005 issue of Adam Film World Guide. Keri has also been interviewed by...publications as Club Magazine and European based adult industry magazine Hot Video." Hot Video is reported to use "professional journalists previously committed to other news fields", so this source might be useful. Unscintillating (talk) 01:47, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Note: I've recently, heavily edited the article under consideration here. The subject here has "won a well-known and significant industry award" - namely the Adam Film World Guide Award (one of the longest-running adult film industry award ceremonies) for "Starlet of the Year", which is very similar to other major award categories in the same industry (like the AVN Award for Best New Starlet & the XBIZ Award for Best New Starlet).

One might consider the "Fan's Choice" version of the NightMoves Award for Best New Starlet a slightly less prestigious award than the "Editor's Choice" version of that same award, but none of that really matters here given the above. Guy1890 (talk) 08:28, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I usually stay away from articles like this on AfD, but per Rebecca1990, Unscintillating and Guy1890's cogent arguments, it seems clear that this particular actress passes WP:PORNBIO and WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:17, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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