Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kerala Electricity Regulatory Commission

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The result was Draftify. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kerala Electricity Regulatory Commission[edit]

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Disputed draftification. While the regulatory body may well have notability, the creating editor has now twice moved this to main space with references that fail to establish that notability. Recommend Return to Draft Space as the favoured outcome. I cannot do this unilaterally under WP:DRAFTIFY or would have done so, hence this nomination. References are official releases (churnalism) or fail to mention the organisation. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:33, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Kerala. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:33, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Timtrent (talk · contribs). Thanks for reviewing this article and sharing your feedback. If you feel the references are not enough I will add more to get notability. Apologies for issues. Thanks. Gardenkur (talk) 11:59, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I believe we should interpret that as an opinion either for Return to Draft Space or to Keep this article.

@Gardenkur More references is a bad idea. Better references to replace the poor ones is a good idea. My view is that the references you have are virtually useless, certainly in verifying notability. More than one show that the entity exists. Mere existence is insufficient. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:29, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify, I agree. One of the references displays in my browser as a series of coding errors. Another couple of references somewhat pertain, to the extent that they concern energy regulation in India, but are not about Kerala, however.

The text looks like it might be cut and pasted from the organization's mission statement and About Us page.

There are one or two fairly good sources behind text that doesn't seem to be related. I would suggest that rather than learning about reliable sources through the AfD process, the author read WP:RS then ask a lot of questions at the Teahouse, which can be found at the Main page, possibly under Community. There is also the WP:RSN noticeboard for asking specific questions about specific sources in specific contexts. I do think that the organization is unquestionably notable -- it's an important state in a country that is going to be critical to implementing the Kyoto Protocol, for one thing, which is why the OP is asking us to recommend draftification not deletion.

But notability isn't really established here. It is important to realize that a link to the enabling legislation, while good as far as it goes, only proves that someone passed the law, but not that the organization as actually done anything to make it notable. There are some more technical problems: for example that Gandhi organization website has a mission statement but not a staff box. Given its history it might count as an RS anyway, but only if there are others. Generally speaking, sources do not necessarily have to be in English, but English is very much preferred. Possibly someone who is active on the Kerala page or one that is related can suggest some sources. I am willing to help you navigate the process a little, if you are serious about improving the article, but it really does need improvement. And I am no authority on either energy or Kerala. But feel free, for example, to ask a question on my talk page if you can't find the Teahouse or the Help Desk. You really need to. Elinruby (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:13, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I don't see the problem, the subject is evidentally notable, the page needs some cleanup. I don't understand the call to draftify. JMWt (talk) 03:03, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify Tried to link https://www.advocatekhoj dot com/library/bareacts/electricityregulatory/17.php?Title=Electricity%20Regulatory%20Commissions%20Act,%201998&STitle=Establishment%20and%20incorporation%20of%20State%20Commission in the article but the site appears to be blacklisted for some reason. I think there seems to be some sources online, particularly legislation HeliosSunGod (talk) 17:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify (One last time). There are issues: 1)- there does appear to be likely cut and pasted material (noted) or at best close paraphrasing, 2)- some apparent refbombing, where some added references do not back up material (noted), 3)- Primary sourcing, 4)- The author may need to either consult with others or send this through AFC before republishing. The organization is more than likely notable (also noted) but this may be a case where Blow it up and start over might be a possibility. -- Otr500 (talk) 14:13, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - notable for energy law, but needs more work. Bearian (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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