Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelsely Abaza

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 03:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kelsely Abaza[edit]

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Overly promotional lovefest for non notable individual. Mix of cruft and hoax.
Some examples of the lies and misrepresentations peppering this article:

Article states "He was signed to the Egyptian record label Mazzika in March 2011, selling in Egypt 290,000 copies of his EP Practic Fast." Sounds impressive. 290,000!! The source used to verify? [1]. An article on another band. No mention of 290,000. No mention of Abaza. No mention of Mazzika.

Article claims "He gained critical acclaim[1] in Egypt following audio-visual multimedia performances in 2011 and 2012." Source used to verify this is a source from 2002, a decade before the claimed concerts. An article about someone else entirely.

Article states "In the same program the presenter stated that the composer's work has "a strange style but [which] is easy to love... [and has] beautiful melodies."". Those qoutes do not appear in the source. Makes no mantion of anyone being a composer.

The section titled "Writing and political views" is pure cruft. It's a personal essay collecting together cherry picked quotes from his work and put together with original research to try give the impression tha Abaza and his writing is significant. There is no independent reporting or analysis of his work anywhere here.
That section is much like the last love letter on him that I know of, Ahmed Tarek Bahgat Abaza. Deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Tarek Bahgat Abaza it too was a promo piece built up around qoutes from his work, not around independent coverage.
Another earlier article on him Ahmed Tarek Ola-abaza was also deleted at afd Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Tarek Ola-abaza
There is a lack of coverage ABOUT HIM in independent reliable sources.
This bloated mess needs to be deleted. duffbeerforme (talk) 06:10, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The quote you mention is cited wrong. It's from the TV program not the 'Talk like an Egyptian' article. It's at the start of the show. I fixed that. Will check the rest later.Chunkyjunkie1987 (talk) 07:39, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are right about Mazzika. Kelsely Abaza's own website says that he does not work with them. Also I am fairly sure 'Practic Fast' is not an EP, or was abandoned, not released, or changed title. There is only a remix of it online. I heard it live in Christchurch but it's a song not an EP. (But this is really confusing as he played a song under that title but numbered '8' in his Auckland gig. I know it well as he plays it almost every single gig and it's been renamed 'Sojourn' and has its own music video). The citation about acclaim for the concert in 2011 is about Halim El-Dabh, it's pretty random/clumsy to place it there (I reckon whoever placed it doesn't know Arabic!). Halim El-Dabh did actually make the remarks about Kelsely Abaza. The only mention of this and of the concerts I know of is in the same program cited just before. I messaged Kelsely Abaza's Facebook page asking about this. I'll see how it goes. Problem with writing is that most of it was in the Christchurch Press and Dominion Post, his website only links to two online articles. Chunkyjunkie1987 (talk) 08:10, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. But I LOVE his music. Graceaudio (talk) 08:54, 10 October 2015 (UTC) I go to every gig he does in town.[reply]

Also; his official website states clearly that he is going to play in NEW ZEALAND in 2016. No word about Egypt. The TV show is confused/confusing! Chunkyjunkie1987 (talk) 14:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Noting that Chunkyjunkie1987 and Graceaudio (above), have been blocked as sock puppets of another user -- all centered around Kelsely Abaza. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete nothing notable showing up in NZ media. Has one mention of a concert but that was promotional. NealeFamily (talk) 03:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not look to be notable (WP:GNG), but at best this is a WP:TNT scenario, with too much questionable or promotional content and almost all of it contributed by sock puppets. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I see no better improvement here. SwisterTwister talk 04:22, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable, nothing showing up on searches. Plagued by self-promotional socks, it's verging on hoax. DeCausa (talk) 21:50, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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