Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katharina Griessemer

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The result was speedy keep. Due to sources added by Jogurney and Milowent. (non-admin closure) Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Katharina Griessemer[edit]

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Even in a German source search, I was unable to locate significant coverage of Grießemer for WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Best sources are Meier, which mentions her twice in a match report, Nord Bayern, also mentions her twice outside of the squad list, and a single passing mention in Donaukurier. I also checked ProQuest but the coverage was only trivial mentions in match reports for youth games. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Football, and Germany. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:18, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I updated the article a bit since it didn't even have her last team from what I can see. She played in the women's Bundesliga for about five years, does that count for anything? I've not participated in any AfDs before for female German footballers. But i see she has a German wikipedia article and I've always thought of that project as being tougher on notability, though maybe they have a soft spot for their own sportlerin of course.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Playing at the top tier indicates that the subject could be notable but isn't evidence of notability. WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG are the only guidelines that the community accepts for footballers, male and female. Both essentially require that there is significant prose coverage in at least two different reliable, published sources, excluding basic database/stats sites. Having an article on another language Wikipedia is generally not a good indicator of notability as it promotes circular reasoning. Wikipedia is not WP:RS after all. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:38, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good points, I'm just saying I think of the German wikipedia as being sticklers for notability even more than us. This athlete left the Bundesliga in 2008, 15 years ago, so finding articles is going to be harder now. de:Liste der Fußballspielerinnen des FC Bayern München is a list of *every* player on the female FC Bayern team since 2001 (when they were promoted from the next tier), and almost every one of this massive list has their own article on the German wikipedia. I know I know that's not "proof". And I know there's no real harm if this article is deleted, because about zero non-german speakers will ever think to look this person up at this point. Before today this article suggested due to lack of editing that she was still on the team she left in 2014 and was apparently still playing football now in her late 30s. So I'm really just idly pondering the article.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm finding routine coverage only - match previews/reports, injury updates, signing announcements that have a sentence about her at most (Hamburger Abendblatt is typical). Nord Bayern has an article about her club, managed by her father, which briefly mentions her time there. Overall, it doesn't look like there is SIGCOV available. Jogurney (talk) 15:28, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found this and this in the Allgäuer Zeitung which are quite good - interviews with a decent amount of prose from the journalist. Jogurney (talk) 20:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh these are indeed good, plus I've added two more from that newspaper to the article. I've comfortable keeping this now.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Happy to withdraw if @GiantSnowman: agrees. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to keep based on new sources presented again @Spiderone:. Good work. Giant Snowman 10:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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