Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karluk Manor

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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 07:38, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Karluk Manor

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Does not meet notability that surpass WP:NORG or WP:NONPROFIT. One of those dime a dozen local area oriented homeless thing that is of no significance outside of that community. Graywalls (talk) 04:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Graywalls (talk) 04:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. Graywalls (talk) 04:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sustained significant coverage in the Anchorage Daily News. I saw one significant write-up in the Seattle Weekly, and some in Al Jazeera. I think I also saw an atticle in the Fairbanks News-Miner. There is also some coverage of the facility in Google Scholar. This was the first Housing First facility in Alaska and has attracted a lot of attention. I'm on my cell at te moment so it's not the easiest to round up sources. Perhaps this could eventually be merged into an article on homelessness in Anchorage if someone writes one, but it satisfies WP's notability requirements even as a standalone article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have now added significant coverage to the article in a further reading section. There is also more that could be added from the Anchorage Daily News beyond what I put in further reading. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved them over to talk, because article space is not a scratch pad for something like this. Graywalls (talk) 03:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, you've already made up your mind and are utilizing trickery to maintain your denial about a staggering number of sources for something you claim to be "...dime a dozen local..." yada yada yada. The basic starting point for notability is sustained coverage in independent, third-party sources, which has been met in spades. Now for the other side of the coin. For an article that's existed for nearly a decade with a WP:BEFORE search turning up such a laundry list of diverse sources, there's really nothing worth reading there. This suggests a classic WP:AFDISNTCLEANUP nomination, further pushing the project in the direction of a popularity contest. Calliopejen is on to something with her suggestion, though. Homelessness in Anchorage is a topic with substantial coverage and no article (the ADN is several months into a year-long series with reporters dedicated to the topic, no doubt part of their ProPublica partnership). Karluk Manor's operator, RurAL CAP, has existed for 55 years, is a substantial organization and has many verifiable accomplishments to its credit, and no article. Mention of this could easily be redirected there, or to existing content such as Fairview, Anchorage, Housing First or Homelessness in the United States by state#Alaska. I seem to recall coming across a list of Housing First facilities, which appears to no longer exist. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 13:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe (talk) 17:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Of the redirect targets suggested by RadioKAOS, Homelessness in the United States by state#Alaska is probably the best one, but if we put it there, we would probably end up losing the work I did to assemble sources. I think it's better to keep it where it is for now. Fairview, Anchorage is probably where it would get lost the least, but I don't know that the neighborhood would appreciate being the place for people to write a massive section about something they may consider a negative part of their community, and one that attracts more than its fair share of attention compared to the rest of the neighborhood. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As a matter of practice, the practice of merging organizations/companies failing notability into a city/town/village page is probably not a good idea. Graywalls (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with you about whether this particular organization is notable, but agree on the broader point. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:52, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The sources found by Calliopejen1 seem sufficient to meet GNG/CORP. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:17, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think Calliopejen1's sources are enough to establish notability. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.