Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamand Gram Panchayat

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The result was keep. But refashion as an article about the village Spartaz ^Humbug! 08:33, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kamand Gram Panchayat[edit]

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Gram Panchayats are village self-governence body. There are over 250,000 Gram Panchayats in India. There is no point in having independent Wikipedia articles for each any every GPs unless they are notable. RationalPuff (talk) 10:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. RationalPuff (talk) 10:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. RationalPuff (talk) 10:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

India is a democracy with 3 levels of governance: central, state and panchayat. India is largely rural, with about 900m people living in rural areas (compared to about 15m rural pop. in the US). Since India has such a large rural population -- 68% of its total -- its villages and their governance are important. With 600,000 villages and 250,000 gram panchayats, the average population served by a GP is ~3,600. For perspective, New York State has 534 villages with an average population of 3,524. Every one of these 534 villages has an article in Wikipedia. List of villages in New York (state) This includes villages with pop. < 100, such as Dering Harbor, New York with pop. 11.
Kamand GP serves a population of about 3,000 (2011 Census). Likely to be 3,500 today, extrapolating from Demographics of India. More importantly, Kamand GP borders IIT Mandi which is a technological university of global importance. Kamand GP includes the two villages at the entrances to IIT Mandi South and North Campuses.
As Wikipedia is online, there is no problem per se with 250,000 pages, provided they are properly categorised. At present there are just a handful of GP pages, categorised by state. As the number grows, the categorisation can be changed to district-wise. --Tagooty (talk) 13:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information WP:INDISCRIMINATE. What you stated above is content for Gram panchayat. Feel free improve Gram panchayat rather than creating tons of other articles that essentially says the same thing with the exception of name of the place it linked to. A village and its governce body are not the same thing. GPs need to meet WP:NORG. Simply establishing it exists is not enough. RationalPuff (talk) 19:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Kamand, Himachal Pradesh, per WP:NGEO. A gram panchayat is a local administration body, based at a village, and serving a cluster of villages around it. It should always be integrated with the page for the main village. There is no need for a separate page on the panchayat itself. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- In case it wasn't clear, my !vote was to Keep the article after retitling it, as per WP:NGEO/WP:GEOLAND. All other issues can be discussed on the article talk page. They are not for this forum. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:04, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Kamand, Himachal Pradesh per Kautilya3's rationale. Kamand village is a populated and legally recognized place, hence meets WP:GEOLAND. p. 218 number 015566. -- Ab207 (talk) 08:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@RandomPuff: @Kautilya3: Thanks for the clarifications and suggestions. The guidelines you've cited are very useful to me.
I propose to change the name of the article to "Kamand village, Mandi district". There are Kamand villages in adjacent Kullu and Kangra districts in Himachal, hence the qualifier "Mandi district".
The article will have a section "Governance (Gram Panchayat Kamand)" with the current content, plus sections about the village: "Description", "Education", "Demographics", "Transport", "History", "Gallery". I will make the changes within 72 hours. I hope that this addresses the concern and the discussion can be closed favourably. --Tagooty (talk) 14:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, qualifying with "Mandi district" is perfectly fine. However, I don't think "village" is needed in the page title unless it is needed for some other disambiguation. See, e.g., Una, Himachal Pradesh. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see the article creator now has renamed the article. But it need be made contextual. Also there are loads of unsourced content particularly related to the GP and its members. You simply can't have these unless you back it up with relevant references. RationalPuff (talk) 09:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RationalPuff: @Kautilya3: I have removed the GP members section until I can get authentic references. This makes the various sections more balanced. I've added some references for content on the village. Will keep improving as I get further references.
@RationalPuff: Could you explain what you mean by "But it need be made contextual"?
As the notability issue is taken care of, I request that the AFD notice be removed. --Tagooty (talk) 13:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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