Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kalyan Banerjee (homoeopath)

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The result was keep. With no prejudice against another AfD nomination in the future. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:56, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kalyan Banerjee (homoeopath)

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zero evidence of notability except the Padma Shri, a 4th order award. Recent AfDs have consistently held that it;s not enough by itself. DGG ( talk ) 09:07, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CptViraj (📧) 09:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CptViraj (📧) 09:31, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral: (It been up too long) Weak delete: Delete: (allow draftification): The Zee News reference perhaps indicates honourable humanitarian altruism by the subject in provision of free treatments, and that is perhaps consistent with the Times of India. However this was not brought out in the article. While award of the Padma Shri seems on the face of it most appropriate I do not believe it is a sufficient reason for a Wikipedia article. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:08, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To expand further with my current reasoning. My delete !vote stands until both of two aspects are satisified: firstly the article is developed to give more body to the article beyond a dictionary entry of appointments and awards ... in this aspect my delete !vote would be weak as sources have been identified which would probably enable an editor with some sort skill level to body-up this particular article. The other aspect to be satisfied is notability. This could be sated by presenting a persuasive WP:THREE below of WP:RS for WP:GNG. Alternatively notability per WP:NACADEMIC (2) the Padmi Shri being determined by consensus to be "almost always a de-facto indicator of notability" to be achieved by account of reasoned arguments, particularly when related to practice for other countries, and when shown not simply awarded due the to the Old boy network. These arguments are now spread to an extent across 4 AfD's, a DRV and even Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#Is Padma Shri a major award?. Longer term my planned intention is to follow agreed consensus on this matter. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In view of the comments of the closer at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla I am moving my position to weak delete.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes GNG and Padma Shei is major award. This, this article calls him noted homeopath, this and plenty of other sources exists.— Harshil ^{want to talk?} 12:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If you are talking about a WP:GNG notability claim per WP:THREE the decision will reset on the best WP:RS sources ... that is quality and not a quantity of this hat or the other: We have just had presented as a top three, if I have it correct (especially my interpretation of the Zeenews Hindi article and author; correct and explain if necessary), of:
- Banerjee, Dr. Kalyan (5 April 2019). "किडनी, थायरायड के मरीजों के लिए होम्योपैथी चिकित्सा फायदेमंद : डॉ. कल्याण बनर्जी" [Homeopathy therapy beneficial for kidney, thyroid patients: Dr. Kalyan Banerjee]. Zeenews (in Hindi).
- Thacker, Teena (10 October 2017). "Government to bar homeopathic doctors from selling medicines". Hindustan times.
- TNN (25 January 2009). "8 docs among 26 Padma awardees". Times of India. Dr Kalyan Banerjee.

My best understanding is (Banerjee,2019) fails on self publication; (Thacker,2017) is a passing mention but in my view (TNN|2009) may pass as a WP:RS. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per my argument at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla that receiving the Padma Shri does meet WP:ANYBIO. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:ANYBIO. Padma Shri is a major award and suffices to hold an article. Please also see my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P. B. Buckshey and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vijay Prakash Singh. --jojo@nthony (talk) 07:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
'Comment I continue to think the Padma Shri not a major honour, on the basis of the almost total lack of notability of some of its awardees on any other possible criterion. DGG ( talk ) 18:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:18, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this subject meet WP:ANYBIO and agree per RebeccaGree. 103.200.134.150 (talk) 13:45, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -Nahal^(T) 20:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Pragmatically there's no real point holding this open over Christmas/New Year. Suggest close.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:13, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment i was going to talk about the Padma Shri being India's 4th highest civilian award, like an OBE, so not being enough for WP:ANYBIO, but after reading Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla, especially that only 2840 have been awarded in its 65 year history (noting India's population of around 1.3billion!) compared to about 500 obes being awarded every year (thanks for all the info RebeccaGreen:)), so looks like a "significant award", of course, more sources about Banjeree would help. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:53, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Comment: that the award was given for thiscareer is good evidence that it is not an award related to any encyclopedic sort of notability . DGG ( talk ) 10:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note to Admin above vote DGG is nominator. He did two time vote!. 37.111.43.124 (talk) 18:34, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

changed to a comment. thanks for letting me know. DGG ( talk ) 22:15, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I had a similar Padma Shri AfD a while back on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ram Saran Verma, on which I had !voted Delete, but then, at the prompting of Lourdes, Coolabahapple, and Jupitus Smart, realised this is a much bigger award and should meet ANYBIO; also, some of the sourcing needed digging in regional Indic RS as the award is not just for “national figures”. I think we should update the policy to mention this Indic award, or, have an RfC to agree to do so. Britishfinance (talk) 01:28, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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