Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ka-Ha-Si

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ka-Ha-Si[edit]

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The story is most likely taken from Terri Cohlene's children's book Ka-Ha-Si and the Loon, the story of which is unsourced, not found in any reputed collections of Inuit folklore and is probably a telling of the Tlingit-Haida stories of the character Blackskin, which Cohlene conflated with the Inuit. Corsican Warrah (talk to me) 14:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mythology-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Side note: I did find an Inuit story about a blind boy whose sight is restored by a magical loon - in this version, the boy is blind from birth and in this version, the boy's mother cursed him to be blind. The story, however, is completely different and the boy is unnamed in both versions. --Corsican Warrah (talk to me) 16:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment found in another children's book Caswell, Helen Rayburn (1968). Shadows from the singing house; Eskimo folk tales., but here there is a bibliography, so may be able to find out more. fiveby(zero) 21:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Tsimshian/Tlingit/Haida Keithahn, Edward L. (1945). "The Story of Duk-Toothl or Ka-Ha-Si". Monuments in cedar. pp. 138–145. Caswell had the story from Keithahn and called it an "Eskimo" tale, Cohlene probably got it from Caswell. fiveby(zero) 22:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Changed article to reflect that this is not Inuit and added some references, but not sure a standalone article is best. There's some good content to be had, but it's going to required a knowledgeable editor to organize it. For instance, can find the story in Tsimshian sources but there the character is unnamed. Probably a redirect to something in Category:Tlingit? fiveby(zero) 14:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Fiveby: Yeah, most probably. Is "Ka-Ha-Si" the most common name for this character? "Blackskin" or the translation thereof is the more common name I've seen. The character isn't enormously significant in the mythos as far as I'm aware, so yeah, probably redirect or include it as a section in an article about Tsimshian/Tlingit mythology?
Corsicanwarrah The content would probably be best in a section of another article, but i don't see a good merge target. Don't think it's unreasonable that someone would see the children's books and look for more information—and if WP lets them know it is Tlingit and not Inuit that is probably a good thing. Will try to find time to add more content and hopefully some other editors comment here with ideas. fiveby(zero) 13:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's rather confusing why Caswell called a Pacific Northwest story an "Eskimo" story, maybe he just thought "Alaska = cold = Arctic" just like kstrom suggested that Cohlene did? --19:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:01, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.