Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jude Feranmi
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. The users who have analyzed the proposed sources conclude that they are not sufficiently in depth, and nobody has rebutted that analysis. Sandstein 07:50, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
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I haven't clicked every source, but the ones I did click are self-authored, not RS, or do not constitute substantial coverage. I don't think this guy is notable and the article seems to be pretty clear promotion. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 04:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- Don’t Delet**: I have removed any contents that might seem promotional on his article. Below are over 23 Reliable References(on his article) to prove his notability. He has over 70 online Reference with good coverage from mostly Nigeria notable media house e.g Daily Trust Newspaper, The Punch Newspaper,BellaNaija, TheCable, Leadership (newspaper) The Nation (Nigeria), BBC etc and some Television house like. TVC News, Africa Independent Television, Channels TV etc.
https://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php?id=23823
https://www.ted.com/tedx/events/22870
https://www.bellanaija.com/2018/08/nafisa-atiku-disrupting-political-system/
https://allafrica.com/stories/201603100081.html
https://ng.usembassy.gov/ambassador-symington-launches-yali-transparency-campaign-lagos/
https://eletiofe.com/jude-feranmi-kowa-national-youth-leader-resigns-after-2-years
http://thenationonlineng.net/2019-young-professionals-float-movement/
https://theeagleonline.com.ng/endsars-kowa-party-calls-for-reform-of-police-force/
https://www.thecable.ng/partycp8-young-nigerians-launch-new-movement-set-to-raise-pvc-collection
https://www.pulse.ng/news/local/kowa-national-youth-leader-jude-feranmi-resigns-id8570692.html
http://thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2018/08/2019-group-drums-support-for-youth-aspirants/
https://dailynigerian.com/nyd2018-nigerian-youths-must-get-serious-to-be-taken-seriously/
https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/group-to-support-youths-to-contest-elections-264553.html
https://theeditor.com.ng/2018/05/30/2019-young-professionals-float-movement/
https://punchng.com/defy-all-odds-to-succeed-jude-feranmi/
https://leadership.ng/2018/08/07/2019-youths-urged-to-leverage-on-not-too-young-to-run-law/
https://www.today.ng/news/nigeria/launches-yali-transparency-campaign-lagos-43190
https://www.today.ng/news/politics/endsars-kowa-party-calls-reform-police-force-42990/amp
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-42357920
Ogbonna Ruby Ebere (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Ogbonna Ruby Ebere: - when trying to make an AfD argument dumping 20 sources is not particularly helpful, particularly when we already need to click on a very high number of in-article sources. Specifically indicating which 5 secondary sources most satisfy the triple "In Depth/Reliable/Independent" requirements. Remember that pure interviews and repackaged press releases aren't suitable. Nosebagbear (talk) 20:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:: Here are Eight(8) Reference as requested.
https://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php?id=23823
https://dailynigerian.com/nyd2018-nigerian-youths-must-get-serious-to-be-taken-seriously/
https://www.bellanaija.com/2018/08/nafisa-atiku-disrupting-political-system/
https://theeditor.com.ng/2018/05/30/2019-young-professionals-float-movement/
https://www.today.ng/news/nigeria/launches-yali-transparency-campaign-lagos-43190
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/07/kowa-party-youth-leader-resigns/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ogbonna Ruby Ebere (talk • contribs) 00:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
- Right, I've gone through those 8. Since I can't do one of those fancy tables I'll just do 1-8, referring to the shorter list directly above.
- This is just a mention with nothing even approaching Sig Cov on Jude himself. Him participating in something doesn't make him notable without in depth coverage on him, not just the event
- This is functionally a press-release, with either direct or indirect quotes making up 90% of the content. Thus it can't be independent
- This is a little unclear. It's a columnist, writing without full editorial control, so independence (and to a less degree, reliability) are questioned. It also uses Jude as a detailed example, but doesn't actually tell us why he is or anything about him.
- This is functionally equivalent to number 2 - press release, thus failing independence
- This is a far clearer version of a non-independent writer creating the article, thus independence (and again, potentiall reliability) is not demonstrated
- This is both a press release, but it also fails to cover Jude in depth
- Very similar to number 1 - we only get a minimal mention of Jude with no in depth coverage
- This is somewhat like number 6, but with some more content both on Jude that is unclear to what degree it is normal analysis and distinct from the "he said this" or a direct quote. I'm not convinced by it, but it is a possible.
- Overall I do not think these sources satisfy the tri-fecta, which gives me grave concerns if they are the best of the sources. That said, I would still not be shocked if there is some suitable coverage (it only takes a couple, after all), so I still aren't placing a formal redirect etc until I've investigated further. For now, I'd like a relist. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yunshui 雲水 13:20, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
- His Article was connected to the wikidata item Q56433794 ,Which contains data relevant to the topic by Edoardo88 four days ago
and was reviewed by Barkeep49 a week ago without complains
@Nosebagbear: , I would like to appreciate you for been patients and still very hopefull of Jude ferenmi notability. Pls try and consider WP:BASIC
Also, see this sources below
http://tynigerian.ng/four-young-nigerian-politicians-to-watch-out-for/
https://allafrica.com/stories/201603090472.html
http://ynag.ng/speaker/jude-feranmi/
Ogbonna Ruby Ebere (talk) 19:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
- The first and (especially) third links aren't independent. I can't really judge the second since I can only see a couple of lines of it - if someone else does have the ability to look at the whole thing then please let us know. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:42, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (talk) 18:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Nosebagbear: Please here are about 8 new Reference i took time to research to prove his notability.
https://leadership.ng/2018/08/07/2019-youths-urged-to-leverage-on-not-too-young-to-run-law/
https://cstvnews.org/campaign-against-islamic-extremism/
https://www.ozy.com/opinion/a-manual-for-youthful-activism-nigerian-style/85039
https://dailynigerian.com/nigerians-want-buhari-tackle-2019/amp/
http://www.aitonline.tv/post-campaign_against_shiite_extremism_launched_in_lagos
http://www.nan.ng/news/2019-group-to-support-youths-to-contest-elections/
Ogbonna Ruby Ebere (talk) 12:24, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's hard to tell, but a lot of these seem like press releases or other non-independent content. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:20, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- I have taken my time to monitor this discusions and researched about Jude ferenmi
My thought are:
1. He was quickly nominated for deletion in less than 2 hours on creations without the editor patiently taken time to peruse all the citations or allow other editors to look at the Article and know their thought before taken decision.
2. From research he has over 100 References on him online and he is notable in Nigeria.
3. Just like the editor said he wont be shocked to find out he is notable, so i wont be shocked if all listed including his first defence citations some are secondary sources.
4. The low response is because editors feel he has a high chance of been notable, but still feel to prove it might require a thorough research that may be time consuming.
5. I also feel the editor that created the Article is still learning, that is why he may not have selected the few needed for the Article to pass.
6. Experience editors that has visited this discusion still struggly feel, he has a high chance of been notable that is why it has always be relisted.
My Suggestions.
I will suggest the Article should not be deleted but a tag and date should be place on the Article addressing concerns of the Article for other editors to easily address it and the tag of Nominating it for deletions to be removed so as to allow editors to freely improve the article than relisting without response.
Destlaw (talk) 07:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)— Destlaw (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. /small>
- @Destlaw: - Editors don't need to know others opinions before nominating for AfD - getting more opinions is exactly the AfD process provides. The timing was also sufficient to allow a reasonable check. I've no idea the level of detailed analysis done, but given that massive lists of refs have been provided and notability still hasn't been conclusively proved, it clearly wasn't unreasonable.
- Number of references is pretty irrelevant - as seen in comments above, there are vasts numbers of refs, they just don't satisfy the triple requirement.
- I'm not quite sure what you mean in the latter half of your third point.
- Point 4 might be correct. However I suspect the opposite is true - editors think it fails notability, but there are so many refs that actually proving the absence is extremely time consuming.
- This is obviously the case, but it doesn't really impact the justifications (or not) of the discussion
- I wouldn't say your point 6 is at all justified, the suspicion of notability is nowhere near that high - if it was, then you'd probably see more Keep !votes. It's being relisted because reviewers come, scroll through the blizzard of references and analysis, and don't actually see a particular weight of !votes either way.
- Finally, the tag wouldn't really address the concerns - either the article meets notability, in which case a notability tag shouldn't be needed, or it doesn't in which case it should be removed. The only way that might happen is if we got a no-consensus result, which can't specifically be sought as a result. Nosebagbear (talk)
- Delete - after an analysis of more refs than I've seen in a long while at AfD, it's becoming increasingly the case that there just doesn't appear to be sufficient sourcing that satisfied the Sig Cov/Reliable/Independent trilemma. There are multiple potential redirect targets, so a redirect wouldn't be suitable. I would request a deletion without prejudice against recreation - obviously with this much coverage, notability is always on the cusp of being satisfied. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:02, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Per Nosebagbear. I would also add that given the huge number of refs in the article and provided in this AFD that the creator of the article seems to have an agenda of some kind to promote this person, otherwise why would someone give so many dozens of unreliable references. I'm not saying they have violated any policies, it just seems very suspicious how over the top their actions are. It could just be inexperience with Wikipedia, but that's not the vibe I'm getting. Newshunter12 (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
@Nosebagbear: i appreciate your patient and analysis but would have kindly wish you take your time to look at all Reference including the first Reference listed.
I will also appreciate if another editor can kindly do same.
@Newshunter12: i also appreciate your comment, but no editor would be happy to find out after taking much time to develop an Article only to find out his Article was nominated and wouldn't try to defend it.
I will plead with you aswell to kindly look through all the Reference including the first 22 and see if it can pass.
Thank you.
Ogbonna Ruby Ebere (talk) 07:35, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
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