Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josue Mulamba

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 18:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Josue Mulamba[edit]

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Person is entirely non-notable, as evidence by this Google search. The reference in the article is not from a very reliable source (I have no reason to doubt it, but that's a different matter), and the only useful thing it states is that he scored no points and is NOT currently playing with some team. An IP, blocked for edit-warring, submitted this link as proof that the subject is playing somewhere else. A Yahoo group is also not a reliable link but if the info is correct, the subject is playing basketball at Burlington County College--hardly in the ACC, for instance.

To summarize: we have a BLP for which I can find two unreliable sources, both of them indicating the subject's non-notability. Delete. Drmies (talk) 19:02, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One, the google test is not a reliable indication of notability for a Congolese basketball player formerly in Latvia. What we need to determine is whether he actually played with ASK Riga or not. If he did, he is a professional basketball player and thus automatically notable; if he didn't, then it is much harder. How is your Latvian?[1]--TM 19:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what to make of this, this and this.--TM 19:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My Latvian sucks, but that first link doesn't produce anything for me anyway (no text at least). I'm not a big fan of working on sports articles, because a lot of things that are presented as references are websites that don't strike me as notable or reliable. So that second link, I can't make anything of it, and what LCC means is unclear to me. Your third link states he played a game against TCU for Latvian Christian--that wouldn't make him notable (like not all NCAA players are automatically notable). The last link also doesn't help for notability--again, if it is reliable it places him at a two-year college. His only hope for notability (here, anyway--I'm sure he's plenty notable as a seven-foot African 24-yr old freshman in a community college) lies with that club in Latvia. I agree, if it can be established that he played with ASK Riga he is probably notable (are they playing at a level where they are automatically notable?), but I just don't see that proven reliably--again, the source with the article suggests he didn't play with them at all. Thanks for your digging around, and my apologies, BTW, for not dropping you a line notifying you of the AfD. Drmies (talk) 19:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am Lithuanian and maybe I can help a little. Once again, I'm not sure if I'm doing it in the right manner. In my opinion, Josue is not notable, I explain why. I was the head coach of ASK Riga, Latvia and I know for sure (don't know how to prove it here) that Josue Mulamba did not have a contract with the ASK team. ASK wanted him to play, but never got the paperwork in on time and Josue was never issued a players license. That's why Josue Mulamba didn't play a single game, a singe minute and didn't score a single point for that team. Before ASK, Josue played at LCC, which stands for Lithuanian Christian College. He is currently a student in the Burlington County Community College. He was never a professional player, but the inaccurate information on Wikipedia and the BBL website (I asked BBL to remove the entry) prevents Josue to get cleared by the NCAA to be eligible to play college basketball. As one of the few people who understand this puzzling situation, I was asked to help Josue to clear this matter. 178.179.115.199 (talk) 21:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks--that's helpful. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notable Webhat (talk) 21:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Any reasons, Webhat, or is this just because I nominated it? Drmies (talk) 20:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. He does seem to be very unnotable. Endofskull (talk) 00:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Drmies nailed this one. We can't even verify that he played at any level above the college one. Ray^Talk 03:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:BIO through lack of reliable sources showing he ever played professionally or at the highest amateur level for a country. Edison (talk) 14:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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