Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Ryan (USMC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 20:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Ryan (USMC)[edit]

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Declined the speedy deletion of this article for a wider audience to determine whether the military history described is notable. Step hen 04:16, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A brave soldier who gave his life for his country, but Wikipedia is not a memorial. A Silver Star falls short of the level of notability required. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hate to nit-pick, but most Marines (such as myself) don't take kindly to being called a "soldier". I shall AGF (because I'm sure you meant no insult), but please be mindful of this in the future. bahamut0013^words _deeds 19:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe us mere soldiers should take offense at that! I jest of course... objection noted Bahamut (as I'm guilty of this oversight as well). Anotherclown (talk) 04:22, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you know, we all can't be natural-born killers like myself. No shame in being in 2nd place. :P bahamut0013^words _deeds 14:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 06:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 06:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The article is entirely unsourced and a Google search of 'Joshua Ryan Silver Star produces no references. Nick-D (talk) 10:20, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as the article is lacking reliable sources it is impossible to verfy, and although the individual's service and achievements (i.e. a Silver Star) appear commendable (AGF), IMO it does not meet the notability guidelines in WP:MILMOS/N which only provide automatic notability for soldiers awarded their nation's highest honour. Anotherclown (talk) 13:22, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Lacks reliable sources. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 ^(Contact) 17:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: unfortunately this article does not meet the requirements for signficant coverage in reliable sources. Additionally, it does not meet the guidance in WP:MILMOS/N. I would like to suggest, though, that the writer consider other websites for this material. I believe that Home of Heroes offers individuals the ability to upload articles on Silver Star recipients. AustralianRupert (talk) 00:19, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete: If you've been on Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Military for any length of time, then you know I disagree with WP:MILPEOPLE regarding the notability of awards. Per WP:BAHAD, I feel that a Silver Star does lend itself with sufficient notability for a biographical article. However, the reason I suggest deletion is the utter lack of sources, and it seems unlikely that any reliable ones will be found. bahamut0013^words _deeds 19:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above. No establishment of notability other than serving and dying for his country.--Looper5920 (talk) 04:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: the author added a {{hangon}} and a note at Talk:Joshua Ryan (USMC) that I'll copy here:
- The reason this page exists is for the following reasons:
  - Joshua Ryan is a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and Purple Heart Recipient
  - He was a member of the 1st Marine Division, 5th Marine Regiment/ 1st Marine Parachute Regiment, 3rd Marine Parachute Battalion, Company L, 2nd Platoon/ and the 5th Marine Division, 28th Marine Regiment, 2nd Battalion, Company E.
  - Earned multiple valorous awards for his service with the United States Marine Corps.
  - Fought along side the Iwo Jima Flag raisers.
  - Was a potential Medal of Honor recipient
  - Helped pioneer the use of the M1941 Johnson LMG with Paramarines during the early stages of the war.
  - Lastly suggested the use of the V42 Stiletto by paramarines, later the us government would send multiple shipments of the weapon to Paramarine units before being shipped out overseas.
- These are my reasons, i made the page to honor him and his service during the war, he served alongside other marines who have pages of their own. I was hoping his contributions could call for a page of his own. I hope my reasons allow his page to stay active... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dartheric1 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For my own part, if a reference can be found for the MOH nomination, I'll be willing to change my vote. bahamut0013^words _deeds 21:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd be more than happy to keep the article if sources could be found, indeed I have spent a couple of hours today looking for sources on Google, in the catalogues of various libraries where I live and on ProQuest, which I have access to through university. Unfortunately I can't find anything. All I can suggest is: do the 1/5th Marines, 2/28th Marines or the 3rd Marine Para Bn have unit histories written about them? There might be something in those if they exist. Additionally, maybe the US Marine Corps Historical Division might be able to help. Their website can be found here:[1]. AustralianRupert (talk) 08:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've worked with them before, but it'll be 2011 before I get a reply. I'm not inclined to dig that deep anymore, given that the only keep vote is from the author. bahamut0013^words _deeds 12:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Its unfortunate that they are so slow, because the article is not bad. With just a couple of refs, it would be a keeper, IMO. AustralianRupert (talk) 08:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tell you what: I'll request more info, and then ask for the closing admin to undelete if they find anything with some substance. This would require some of the other participating editors to note that thier delete votes are without prejudice for recreation. bahamut0013^words _deeds 14:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. I for one, certainly would have no problem with recreation if suitable refs come to light at a later date. AustralianRupert (talk) 01:35, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A brave and admirable man, but does not meet Wikipedia guidelines for notability. Edward321 (talk) 19:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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