Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josephine Chaplin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that she is notable independently. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 05:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Josephine Chaplin[edit]

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Subject does not appear to have been the subject of multiple non-trivial independent secondary sources. Current references are non-existent, one external link points to IMDb which is not independent. Has won no awards nor had any staring role in a major motion picture. Google search turns up IMDb, Spokeo, Facebook, Amazon, Pintrest, Barnes & Noble, etc. Being descended from Charlie Chaplin does not by itself confer notability (per WP:NOTINHERITED). KDS4444 (talk) 16:21, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I came to her page to see the actress Josephine Chaplin, so this must be Wikipedia perfoming the function it was meant to in providing information. The fact that she was actually in films that exist is a source of proof. I have seen the Jack The Ripper dvd with her on the front cover so at least there she had a notable role. Middle More Rider (talk) 07:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She may have a famous dad, but she's credited with 26 different roles in film and TV. She has named roles in many of these. She passes WP:NACTOR #1. This isn't a case of WP:INHERITED. Middle More Rider, were you going to !vote Keep? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~. Lack of independent sources and WP:NOT INHERITED. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC).[reply]

I just added several independent sources to confirm her roles and her parents. So there are independent RS in the article. This also isn't a case of of NOT INHERITED, she passes by WP:NACTOR #1. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect instead as imaginably best connected to Charlie Chaplin, article still questionable for solidity. SwisterTwister talk 00:02, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes keep for me. If I can go into a retail store and buy this http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414J3M771YL._SY445_.jpg what on earth has Charlie Chaplin got to do with it? I think it's rude to keep refering to people with the Chaplin surname as some sort of appendage to Charlie Chaplin and not just the person that they are. Middle More Rider (talk) 00:13, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:19, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. She had a significant role in a major Pasolini film and billed roles in other notable films. If her name wasn't Chaplin and her earliest credits weren't in films her father directed, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Clearly meets NACTOR. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 23:31, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quick reality check: WP:NACTOR states that in order to qualify under those criteria the person needs to have had significant roles [plural] in multiple notable films, etc. [also plural]. Having had a single significant role in a single "Pasolini film" whose name is not mentioned does not qualify a person as notable; being billed in other notable films does not qualify a person as notable; thinking it is rude to refer to a Chaplin as some sort of appendage is not an argument for notability; being credited with 26 different roles in movies and television does not qualify a person as notable; being able to go into a retail store and see a DVD with her on the cover is not evidence of notability. Everyone, please, for God's sake, read Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions and then come back here and have another look at your arguments to Keep this article. The ONLY one that holds any water is the one claiming to have added new sources. KDS4444 (talk) 13:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment She has one of the main roles in Escape to the Sun [1], she had a starring role in Nuits Rouges [2], a starring role in Jack the Ripper [3], a named role in Docteur Françoise Gailland [4], and a named role in Bay Boy [5]. These roles all make her notable in addition to the Canterbury Tales film. I'm not even counting in her other roles or the ones for French TV which are difficult for me (since I'm not fluent in French). Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per Megalibrarygirl. In my view, this person meets the criterion of main roles in multiple notable films, as the sources listed above show. Would this be at AfD if WP:NOTINHERITED was irrelevant? Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as the addition of references to multiple reliable, secondary sources such as

Howard Hughes (30 April 2011). Cinema Italiano: The Complete Guide from Classics to Cult. I.B.Tauris. pp. 140–. ISBN 978-0-85773-044-2. Based on the writings of Geoffrey Chaucer, The Canterbury Tales (1971) was shot in England with an Italo-British cast. ... There were featured roles for Laura Betti and Franco Citti, and Hugh Griffith, Josephine Chaplin, Michael Balfour and ...
Leonard Maltin (2009). Leonard Maltin's Movie and Video Guide. New American Library. pp. 418–. ISBN 978-0-451-22468-2.
Mick Martin; Derrick Bang (1994). Video Movie Guide 1995. Random House Publishing Group. pp. 761–. ISBN 978-0-345-39027-1.
Semana (in Spanish). Vol. 31–32. May 1971. pp. 957–.
La Revue du cinéma, image et son (in French). Ligue française de l'enseignement et de l'éducation permanente. 1975. pp. 269–.
Gérard Leblanc (1992). Georges Franju: une esthétique de la déstabilisation (in French). creaphis editions. pp. 112–. ISBN 978-2-908702-02-6.
Mario Guidorizzi (1993). Cinema francese: 1930-1993 (in French). Casa editrice Mazziana. pp. 97–. ISBN 978-88-85073-25-8.
Jay Robert Nash; Stanley Ralph Ross (1986). The Motion Picture Guide. Vol. 6. Cinebooks. pp. 2182–. ISBN 978-0-933997-06-6.
La Nouvelle revue des deux mondes (in French). 1976. pp. 730–.
Peter Cowie (1977). International Film Guide 1978. Tantivy Press. pp. 343–. ISBN 978-0-498-02106-0.
John A. Willis (1986). Screen World. Vol. 37. Crown Publishers. pp. 154–.
Leslie Halliwell (1996). Halliwell's Film Guide. HarperPerennial. pp. 249–. ISBN 978-0-06-273372-6.
Bowker (1983). Variety's Film Reviews: 1971-1974. Rr Bowker Llc. ISBN 978-0-8352-2793-3.
Phil Hardy; Denis Gifford (1986). The encyclopedia of science fiction movies. Woodbury Press. p. 313. ISBN 978-0-8300-0436-2.
Stefan Jaworzyn (1994). Shock Xpress 2. Vol. 2. Titan. pp. 16–. ISBN 978-1-85286-519-1. The only film from Franju's television period to receive any sort of foreign distribution was L'Homme sans Visage (1974), starring Jacques Champreux, Gayle Hunnicutt, Gert Frobe and Josephine Chaplin, a Fantomas-like thriller about a ...
Cinema. 241-46 (in French). Vol. 1. 1979. pp. 124–.
Cinéma. 289-300 (in French). Fédération française des ciné-clubs. 1983. p. 5. ... Après Maria Pacôme, il avait épousé Joséphine Chaplin, dont il avait eu un fils, Julien, le 16 octobre 1980. ...
L'Express. Vol. 2. Presse-Union. 1981. pp. 108–.
Jean-Marc Doniak (1998). Les fictions françaises à la télévision: 1945-1990, 15000 œuvres (in French). Dixit. pp. 38–.
La Revue du cinéma. 407-411 (in French). Ligue française de l'enseignement et de l'éducation permanente. 1985. p. 11.
The Hollywood Reporter. 1-18. Vol. 317. Wilkerson Daily Corporation. 1991. pp. 42–.
Francisco María Benavent (2000). Cine español de los 90: diccionario de películas, directores y temático. Mensajero. pp. 232–.

attest that she has had significant roles in multiple notable productions, e.g. in Pier Paolo Pasolini's The Canterbury Tales, in Menahem Golan's Escape to the Sun, in Richard Balducci's L'Odeur des fauves, in André Hunebelle's Les Quatre Charlots mousquetaires and À nous quatre, Cardinal !, in Georges Franju's Nuits Rouges, in Jesús Franco's Jack the Ripper, in Jean-Louis van Belle's À l'ombre d'un été, in Histoires extraordinaires, and in Georges Franju's L'Homme sans visage, and meets the inclusion criteria for actors. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Indisputable evidence of subject's personal notability in the acting profession, particularly in view of the praiseworthy comprehensive research submitted above by Sam Sailor. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:12, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - After all the heavy lifting done by other editors, now seems a pretty simple decision. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:05, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.