Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Hallman
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The result was delete. Tone 21:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:N and WP:MUSIC because it fails WP:V. No secondary sources to be found through Google or any other search (beyond passing mentions). Jubilee♫clipman 18:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Jubilee♫clipman 19:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question: Concerning verifiable third-party sources, what about http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/24/arts/music/24dema.html?_r=1, cited in a footnote to the article? It may not be much, but it is something more than nothing.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Passing mention, IMO. It is something, though, I grant you! Updated my nomination accordingly. I have also been trying to find info on the "Darius Milhaud Awards" but to no avail, so far. Any help there? Seems to be given out by the Darius Milhaud Society but I can't find much about them on the net either Update: see pg 81 of this. However, I still can't verify that Hallman actually received that award: all the claims to that effect (so far found) are either on his own website, on other closely related sites or on obvious non-RSs such as social networking sites, wikis, etc. Further update: I added another ref but I am still not convinced... that's as far as I can go! --Jubilee♫clipman 20:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- For the Society itself, see: <http://watchdog.net/ein/341402068/darius-milhaud-society> and <http://www.socialcurrent.org/nonprofit/341402068/Darius_Milhaud_Society>. Their Newsletter is listed here: <http://www.magazine-subscription-search.com/prd155378.php>. I can't find a list of winners, either, but that is not too surprising for an award given to undergraduates within an institution (in this case, students at the Cleveland Institute of Music). The first award was in 1985, and the recipient was David Wolfson: <http://www.voxnovus.com/composer/David_Wolfson.htm> (who does not have a Wikipedia article—I've checked). I have a handful of that sort of composition award myself. As they used to say, that and twenty-five cents will get you a cup of coffee. Today it's more like $2.50, so I reckon those awards must be worth even less today.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 20:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The award is, essentially, "expressly for newcomers", then? If so, it also fails WP:COMPOSER... --Jubilee♫clipman 20:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- As far as I can tell, it is "expressly for students", though not necessarily for "newcomers". In either case, this award by itself would not make a case for notability, no. A single review in the New York Times is a bit marginal, as well. It would help if there were two or three others, even in less well-known publications, to lend some support to the idea of being "frequently covered in publications".—Jerome Kohl (talk) 21:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Passing mention, IMO. It is something, though, I grant you! Updated my nomination accordingly. I have also been trying to find info on the "Darius Milhaud Awards" but to no avail, so far. Any help there? Seems to be given out by the Darius Milhaud Society but I can't find much about them on the net either Update: see pg 81 of this. However, I still can't verify that Hallman actually received that award: all the claims to that effect (so far found) are either on his own website, on other closely related sites or on obvious non-RSs such as social networking sites, wikis, etc. Further update: I added another ref but I am still not convinced... that's as far as I can go! --Jubilee♫clipman 20:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I found two articles/profiles: philly2philly - a local Philadelphia news website, AvianMusic - A New York City-based contemporary music ensemble dedicated to the music of living American composers. I'm unsure if the material is really independent and reliable. --Vejvančický (talk) 21:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete A search of the Drexel University site shows no Joseph Hallman, and he is not listed among the faculty (there is no degree program in music - only a minor in music is offered). Incidentally, I listened to his string quartet and looked at the score of his quintet, and he really is a fine composer. Unfortunately, that alone does not qualify him to be in Wikipedia. Let's give him another couple of years to make a name for himself. Joe, keep slugging away. --Ravpapa (talk) 06:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, reluctantly since the article makes claims of notability, but if the claims can't be reliably verified I don't think we can justify keeping the article. --Deskford (talk) 11:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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