Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan McMillan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan McMillan

Jordan McMillan has never played in a senior football match, which means that he clearly fails both WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTYN. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In a similar vein, I would also like to nominate Rory Loy, Steven Kinniburgh and Ross Perry. None of whom have made a senior first team appearance either. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as he has never played in a senior football match, which means that he fails the football notability guidelines Anonymous101 (talk) 17:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as they fail WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 08:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep McMillan - he was on the bench for the Scottish Cup final - that seems exceptional enough that we can bend the rules. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 09:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Rangers regularly selected youth players for their bench last season to comply with Scottish Premier League and Scottish Cup rules that state that each club must name players under the age of 21 in their match squads. Last season, Rangers only really had Steven Naismith as a genuine first team player who was under 21. They regularly had to bring in players from their youth squads to comply with the rules. Obviously if those players were actually used, then they pass the WP guidelines. See Walter Smith's comments on these rules in this article. The gist of what he is saying is that these young players who were named on the bench but did not play would not have been there but for the rules forcing him to select them. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all as they fail notability at WP:ATHLETE. --Jimbo^[online] 11:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as they fail WP:ATHLETE. Giant Snowman 15:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak Keep~~ I'm thinking that playing in the friendly against the LA Galaxy might be enough to meet the spirit of WP:Athlete. Even though it was an exhibition game rather than a league match, it was two fully professional teams (each in the best league of their nation) playing against each other. If it's been established as policy that professional level friendlies don't count for WP:Athlete, then deletion would be in order, though. Vickser (talk) 18:36, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the friendly match is enough, here's ESPN's article confirming that McMillan and Perry played. Their substitutions are mentioned at the end of the first section. Loy and Kinniburgh are clear deletes. Vickser (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think playing in a friendly qualifies him or Perry per WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTYN. Both Rangers and LA Galaxy are clearly professional clubs, but the guidelines state that the player must play in a competitive match (ie league, cup or international play), not a friendly match (or exhibition game as its called in the US). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's generally agreed that friendly/exhibition matches don't count, due to their non-competitive nature and the fact that clubs often dilute their teams with youngsters and triallists..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As per the above, playing in a friendly game does not help him meet WP:ATHLETE criteria. Friendly club matches are useless for determining notability, as they are often used by clubs to trial players who they may never sign and therefore may never play professionally. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 20:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it's established precedent that friendly games don't count, then by all means delete. Just establishing that it was in fact true and giving a relaible source. Switch my vote to delete. Vickser (talk) 21:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Separate into different AFDs and relist. While some of these are clearly not notable, others are debatable, and as such this doesn't meet the criteria for bulking together. Nfitz (talk) 19:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I will create separate AFDs for the other three players. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - sitting on a bench does not confer notability. WP:ATHLETE is definitely clear. --Angelo (talk) 08:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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