Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Goudreau

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The result was keep. Drmies (talk) 20:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Goudreau[edit]

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Merge with La Guaira naval attack as subject fails notability threshold on his own. Kiteinthewind ^{Leave a message!} 01:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Kiteinthewind ^{Leave a message!} 01:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 01:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Venezuela-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 01:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge I did wonder why he had an article, I'm not surprised it's basically empty. If his military career is non-notable, merge anything significant across. Kingsif (talk) 03:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect He was covered in the New York Times and the Guardian, but that coverage primarily focuses on his involvement in the La Guaira Naval Attack. There might be additional biographical information that could justify Goudreau having his own page, but it needs to be properly cited. Sebanderson (talk) 03:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to La Guaira Naval Attack, he fails WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 04:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This is clearly a notable personage who caused a very serious international incident, namely violating the borders of a sovereign state with the intention of kidnapping the head of state. His name has been cited by numerous reliable media sources. Additionally Goudreau has been awarded the bronze star three times and is CEO of Silvercorp -- a private security corporation (https://www.silvercorpusa.com/). Flaviusvulso (talk) 05:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment multiple Bronze Stars doesn't meet #1 of WP:SOLDIER. Mztourist (talk) 05:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes, but the awards lend weight to case that this article should be kept and that Jordan Goudreau is a notable personage.Flaviusvulso (talk) 07:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bronze Star is the fourth highest ranking medal so it doesn't meet #1 of WP:SOLDIER and isn't a basis for WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 08:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that Jordan Goudreau has received significant coverage by numerous independant media sources clearly meets the criteria for WP:GNG. Flaviusvulso (talk) 13:40, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep The guy organized an armed incursion into a hostile foreign country, which albeit failed spectacularly (as it always was going to), you can't take away the historical significance of his actions. People are dead, American citizens have been captured and paraded on state TV, and the diplomatic fallout has huge implications for the Trump administration. Jordan Goudrea deserves to be remembered for this. He has played just as much a bigger role in all this than Clíver Alcalá Cordones, yet nobody is calling for his article to be deleted or merged. GWA88 (talk) 06:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as a Major General Clíver Alcalá Cordones satisfies #2 of WP:SOLDIER and so his page would be justified whatever his involvement in coup plots. Mztourist (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not only that, but Alcalá was also a government official during Chávez administration and currently faces criminal charges. In other words, he has had coverage way before these events. --Jamez42 (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep After the last events he is notable enough to have his own article in wiki--Noel baran (talk) 07:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per WP:BIO1E. He may become later, but right now it's WP:TOOSOON. b uidhe 09:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge and redirect to La Guaira Naval Attack, as it already mentions in that article. --cyrfaw (talk) 09:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - Article now much better that before. --cyrfaw (talk) 21:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to La Guaira Naval Attack. Nika2020 (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect, WP:ONEEVENT seems to apply. --Jamez42 (talk) 16:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - ~~since he was also involved in the 2019 Venezuelan uprising attempt: [1]~~. --СССР (talk) 18:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source doesn't say that. It says the planning for the May 3 attack began after that uprising failed. Kingsif (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes, I misunderstood. Nevertheless, keeping my vote due to the criterion 4 of WP:MILPEOPLE. --СССР (talk) 20:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For all the reasons previously stated. Also, he did some security for Trump rallies. And he met with representatives of Venezuelan opposition figure Juan Guaidó in May 2019. See article. Google search for his name in quotes (Search: "Jordan Goudreau") currently pulls up ~~349,000~~ results. (Later note on May 12: 610,000 results). --Timeshifter (talk) 04:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Great point. A quick Google search of his name brings up thousands of results, including from numerous mainstream sources. It's clear more will come out about him in the future as well, seems stupid to merge now when an article about him will be needed sometime in the near future. People will want to read about the guy who masterminded an armed raid on Venezuela, in fact at this very moment the article has over 38,000 pageviews, meanwhile there are somewhat pointless articles on Wikipedia which have less than 1,000 pageviews despite being on here for years. GWA88 (talk) 08:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As per previous comments in favour of keeping. Burrobert (talk) 23:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. More and more info is coming out making him more and more notable. He was on the radar of the DEA since March, weeks before the coup attempt. Officials in Congress are now also expressing concern over possible links Goodreau might have had to the federal government. See article. --Timeshifter (talk) 00:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep definitely meets the notability requirements.XavierGreen (talk) 15:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Notability clearly established. (Gabinho^>:) 17:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Keep I believe that the topic deserves a separate article. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 04:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete or Merge - Seems like a clear cut case of WP:BIO1E. It's not clear that this guy's "raid" is a "highly significant" event. NickCT (talk) 08:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - More details have been revealed and WP:BIO1E does not apply since this is a major international event. Article is much better than when it was nominated for deletion.----ZiaLater (talk) 03:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisted to generate a clearer consensus between merging and keeping.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BD2412 T 04:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Flaviusvulso. - Flori4nKT A L K 09:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This person owns a mercenary corporation that not only has become a major player in the American incursion into Venezuela but claims to run operations in over 50 countries and once conducted security for USA president Donald Trump. Some editors want to merge this article with the recent attacks on Venezuela but it seems he has done far more than that with his life. He is likely to become emroiled in more controversies and important political events as time goes on. BulgeUwU (talk) 05:51, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would ask to be careful with Goudreau's claims, as some of them might have been inflated. I should note once again that before 3 May, it appears there was virtually no coverage of him. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:23, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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