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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 17:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Yudelman[edit]

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This appears to be a WP:BLP1E for an otherwise non-notable postdoctoral researcher. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 19:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a slam-dunk case for deletion for that reason. 47.186.144.163 (talk) 20:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is known for his research in ancient and modern political theory as well as the early modern origins of liberalism. 142.181.101.184 (talk) 14:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is a reputable scholar. 142.181.101.184 (talk) 14:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is nothing in the article that supports his reputation or his scholarship. There is no c.v., no dissertation topic, the briefest assertion that his PhD is from Boston College, but no year, nor information about the location or possession of a BA, MA or any other academic degree. There is nothing to say how long he's been at ASU, but suggestions that he is a one term, travelling adjunct at a number of different schools. We have no way of knowing anything about him - ASU appears to have eliminated his biography, and he has eliminated his LinkedIn biography. We equally do not know what his 'research in ancient and modern political theory' is, nor what is intended by the 'early modern origins of liberalism'. The absence of all of this would tend to negate your claim of reputable scholarship.
174.18.73.211 (talk) 17:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GS citations are negligible. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]
That would make him more notable. Are you arguing for a keep? Xxanthippe (talk) 22:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Incubate in draftspace, as it seems coverage is picking up, so we should see if more SIGCOV arises. BhamBoi (talk) 21:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage of him and his work or of the incident at the protest? GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 21:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good points about the scope of coverage. I find it hard to believe that someone who had articles written about them in such mainstream media as USA Today, The Hill, CNN, AP, NBC, etc. wouldn't be notable, though. But this does seem to be a case of BLP1E, and policy prevails. BhamBoi (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I vote to Keep - This is not the case for delete per BLP1E, as BLP1E states clearly that it does allows for single events to be included: "John Hinckley Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the Reagan assassination attempt, was significant, and his role was both substantial and well documented."
this single event ties in to a larger story of the mass protests at this university that also ties to a much larger event of the mass protests across the world that tie to an even much larger story of the Hamas/Israel war.
Firing of a prof's for attacking students at the Uni he teaches is in, it self is a fairly notable event. It should be tied to larger event pages up the chain.
also this single event has been picked up in multiple countries by national news coverage and has evolved to the firing of the individual in question. 2604:3D08:7779:5700:78E0:EB35:6507:8B71 (talk) 09:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally in those cases, the article should be about the incident rather than the person. However I'm still skeptical that this incident is itself sufficiently notable for a standalone article, rather than (perhaps) a mention in Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States or a similar article. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 14:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More coverage specifically of him is coming in from AZ television, Al Jazeera, Middle East Eye, the New York Daily News, another in NBC, and from other professors, so even if the coverage only centers around one event, SIGCOV is certainly present. This isn’t a new vote on whether to keep (I still vote move to draftspace), but should provide context on the coverage surrounding this man. BhamBoi (talk) 02:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question: This incident its self now has pretty broad coverage, could it be altered so the main subject is about the incident rather than the person? What would be an example I could follow to do this and what would be the best name for the article? Thanks, John Cummings (talk) 08:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@John Cummings: I see you’ve been adding references to the article, note can be found under "described by source" on his Wikidata item. BhamBoi (talk) 14:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, but I suspect it's still an incident of only passing notability. I think it might be better left to a mention in Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States unless it receives enduring coverage. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Textbook WP:BLP1E. The individual is completely non-notable. The event they're known for, being fired for Islamophobic harassment, wouldn't make much sense as a standalone event article, either. The event should be roughly a few sentences in a broader article.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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