Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jolie laide (3rd nomination)

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:20, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jolie laide[edit]

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This article has been lying dormant for years, with the talk page (until my reply) remarking *five years ago* that this article's concept is "derivative" of sources ultimately from the NYT, which it was and still is even after I trimmed the fat and tried humbly to make it more npov instead of an essay (see history).

I quickly looked online and it seems the concept of "Jolie laide" is almost unknown in France and this may be an editorial neologism, ostensibly linked to Serge Gainsbourg. The whole article seems suspicious and it just has passed unnoticed for years, remaining essentially a stub with extra fluff. I don't see it as a hoax per se, but it is probably forced and ultimately unnotable. ~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 22:13, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is definitely not an editorial neologism - whether, or how much, it is used in France, it has been used for years in English. A search of Google Books shows many examples going back decades [1], and even centuries [2]. There are examples in articles in newspapers, etc, too, eg The New York Times [3]. The Guardian 'Notes and Queries' section had several answers which provide more examples of its use in English [4]. My main question is whether it belongs in an encyclopaedia or in a dictionary, and I will have to check Wikipedia policies on how to determine that. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 02:49, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I see that an article about this phrase has already been deleted twice from Wikipedia, as being a dictionary definition, and it does indeed exist in Wiktionary. The entry there has no citations, nor a suggested origin, but I would not suggest merging the content of this article with the entry there, as the existence of the phrase in the 1880s clearly negates the idea that Serge Gainsbourg originated it. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:56, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per previous AfD deletion and observation about the more appropriate Wiktionary entry by RebeccaGreen above (though I notice there is no corresponding article in the French Wiktionary). AllyD (talk) 07:48, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per this and previous AfD discussions. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 22:52, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:31, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.