Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnie All Stars

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination. After two relistings with no additional comment, I don't think there is going to be any more input here to resolve the issue. MelanieN (talk) 23:15, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Johnie All Stars

Johnie All Stars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:NBAND. Article was dePRODded after I put it up for PROD, with the editor adding two citations to demonstrate notability. However, I still feel the band fails notability: of the two citations provided, terra.com.co is an RS (part of Terra Networks), but I am unsure about the reliability of the Rockombia website. Even if you allow the latter source, all the two citations provide us with is the information that the band formed in 1997 and that they have released four albums, which isn't enough. The line-up changes and recording dates are all unverified, the albums were released on a local independent label, and the text is full of POV statements: the last line before the discography is a direct translation of the last line of the Rockombia biography, so it fails COPYVIO as well. All mentions of the band on the web appear to be from blogs and other non-RS sources. Richard3120 (talk) 17:54, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 17:54, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 17:54, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 20:57, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

• Keep thanks for telling me about this listing, I think the Rockombia cite is ok, at least it does not seem to be user or band generated. Sources are hard to find but in view of their performances at major music festivals and youtube and other nonRs coverage there may well be off-line sources which perhaps some Columbian editors could provide. Agree that the article is not neutral but it can be rewritten leaving out any copyvio. Atlantic306 (talk) 18:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

• Comment: I checked the article's creator and found it was "Camilogomez", which just happens to be the name of the band's bass player, so that would probably explain the lack of neutrality. I'm a bit worried about not finding any off-line sources: Colombia's main newspaper, El Tiempo, normally archives articles on their website that date back to the early 1990s, but I can't find any mention of them on there. The YouTube videos that are available appear to be just their songs (no interviews or anything that gives details about the band), and the biggest music festival I can find that they've played at is Bogota's "Rock al Parque", which they appear to have played twice, in 1998 and 2012, but I can't find any reliable sources to confirm this, apart from this mention – Shock is Colombia's premier music magazine... but I can't tell whether this is user-generated content or not. Richard3120 (talk) 21:50, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

• Delete at best for now instead as my searches have shown nothing noticeably better and the article is still overall questionable, Draft if needed until better is available. SwisterTwister talk 05:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:15, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e^talk 16:46, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.