Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John R. Pinniger

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. Although the vote was narrowly in favour of deletion I am, exceptionally, putting this aside in the light of the article being rewritten and the nomination withdrawn following the submission of most of the votes below. ChrisO 22:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John R. Pinniger[edit]

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Delete as non-notable. Another vanity article from the Monday Club set. AFD nomination withdrawn as per ChrisO below. Homey 04:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If he can't even win election to an internal Monday Club position, he isn't notable. CJCurrie 04:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above two compatriots have been consistant attackers of the UK Conservative Right-wing for at least 7 months. I would argue their bias is so pronounced as to be unacceptable. 81.131.65.236 07:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I have noted that too. 195.194.75.209 17:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In every election there must be a winner and a loser. Monday Club National Elections involved thousands of people. Losing the occasional election reflects little. At least he stood! 81.129.155.181 21:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clear campaign by the nominator against articles on the British Tory Right. 86.139.185.202 11:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Tychocat 08:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:BIO. --Coredesat 10:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Wikibout-Talk to me! 15:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete UK borough councillors/lobby group members are ten-a-penny and, I would say, unnotable unless they assert something to the contrary. --DaveG12345 01:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Bet you wouldn't say that if he were a Fabian or a socialist, Dave, eh? 81.129.155.181 21:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Notable in several fields as a UK Conservatve Party activist, councillor in one of London's more volatile boroughs. May be a minor notable, but probably far more notable than anyone voting here! 81.131.65.236 07:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- anon user. Homey 06:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

No different to you, then?81.129.155.181 21:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: agree with User:81.131. Contributions from numeric users should be just as valid as those from Homey, about whom, in reality, we know nothing. 195.194.75.209 17:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Above is an anon IP who has not registered. Homey 17:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And? Who are you? An anonymous user who no-one can identify. 81.129.155.181 21:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Pinniger was a live wire in the Conservative Party (UK) and in the Conservative Monday Club. It took guts for someone like him to stand and be elected to council in Lambeth. Should all Wikipedia biographies just be about people like Napoleon? Don't minor notables get a stub? 81.129.155.181 21:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Unregistered anon user. Homey 02:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No more "anon" than you, I suggest. 86.139.185.202 11:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as per above entries- but perhaps a merge with the Monday Club article? EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 21:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Notable in his own way, which is what a bio should be about. It is short and to the point. 86.139.185.202 11:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I've found a series of Times articles about JRP, who appears to have sparked a major schism in the Monday Club in 1984 after he resigned from it and publicly accused it of harbouring "extremists and racists" (wonder who he was referring to?). The Monday Club retaliated by accusing him and a number of other members of trying to mount an internal coup. The news coverage, which is very likely to be in more than just the Times, clearly meets the WP:BIO standard that "the person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person." I do have to wonder in passing why the article's author(s) hasn't mentioned JRP's resignation and accusations against the Monday Club... -- ChrisO 18:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - fair enough, can you integrate your findings into the article? Homey 18:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do what I can with what I have. I've only got access to the Times database here, but I should be able to do a Lexis-Nexis search at the weekend and hopefully pull out some more stories. -- ChrisO 18:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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