Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Masiarcyzk, Sr.

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The result was no consensus. Kurykh (talk) 01:12, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John Masiarcyzk, Sr.[edit]

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Does not meet Wikipedia notability standards. ‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 05:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One of several articles created by same user for local non-notable politicians. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - General Health ‖ 05:10, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:43, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:43, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Deltona is not a large or prominent enough city to hand its mayors an automatic presumption of notability just for existing — but the sourcing here consists solely of a raw table of election results on the city's own website, with no evidence of passing WP:GNG provided at all, and that is not good enough to make him more notable than the norm. Bearcat (talk) 16:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Deltona may be small, and the article may not make use of the sources available, but the job here is to determine if the subject is notable enough to be worthy of an article. To pass gng, significant coverage is required. These provide significant coverage. [1], he was Deltona's first mayor [2]. Consider improving the encyclopedia by adding sourcing of poorly written articles instead of destroying the embryonic work of other well-meaning editors, thereby decreasing the pool of helpful contributors. Jacona (talk) 14:45, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Purely local media coverage of local politicians — mayors, municipal councillors, school board trustees, non-winning candidates for those offices, etc. — always exists, so such coverage falls under WP:ROUTINE. At the local level of office, an officeholder has to be shown as significantly more notable than the norm before they're deemed to pass WP:GNG or WP:NPOL. It's not enough to show that one or two local sources in the local media exist, because if that were all it took then nobody in local politics anywhere would ever fail to be notable enough. Bearcat (talk) 21:08, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, and the Orlando Sentinel is a major regional publication in a large metropolitan center. According to [3] it is the 37th largest in the US, and 2nd largest in Florida (the two Tampa entries have merged) by circulation. Jacona (talk) 12:05, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter how major the publication is, or whether it's a large metropolitan center or not — the only thing that matters is whether it originates locally to the region where local coverage would be merely routine and expected. Even The New York Times cannot make the mayor of a small village on Long Island, or a non-winning candidate in a New York City Council election, more notable than the norm just because the routine local coverage happens to be in The New York Times rather than the Palookaville Herald — it's still coverage in a local context, which fails to demonstrate notability beyond the purely local. It's the physical location where the media coverage originates from, not the geographic range of the media outlet's overall distribution area, that determines whether the coverage is "local" or "more than local". Bearcat (talk) 19:11, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep User:JaconaFrere held the key here. Turns out Masiarcyzk and his wife Nancy Masiarczyk were key players in the political movement to incorporate Deltona (pop. 85,000) as a city. It is a residential area previously governed directly by the county. Driving element in this movement appears to have been a desire to keep property tax revenue for local use. Here: [4] is an obit "Nancy Masiarczyk, Deltona Activist, Dies Of Cancer At 45 A Memorial Service Monday Will Honor The Wife Of The City's Mayor, John Masiarczyk." October 25, 1997|By Maria M. Perotin , Orlando Sentinel). And stories from the The St. Petersburg Times (Note not a local paper, Tampa/St. Pete is the next major metro region to the left). "A blueprint for incorporation:" [STATE Edition] Farley, Robert. St. Petersburg Times 02 May 1999 [5]; Also see This impressive endorsement in which a newspaper editorial compares 3 candidates running for Mayor (Masiarcyzk wasn't running) with Masiarcyzk and concludes that none of them can measure up, reviewing his civic role in the process. "Cities in transition Deltona needs experience," The Daytona Beach News-Journal 25 Sep 2005 [6]; "CITY HALL TELLS MAYOR THAT HIS CITY IS A SUCCESS," an in-depth asessment of Masiarczyk political career Orlando Sentinel (the big regional daily), Poertner, Bo, 9 February 2002. More like this out there. This is not routine coverage, it is notability. @JaconaFrere:, Are you able to expand and improve the page?E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for providing the additional sources. I won't be editing this in the near future, unfortunately. By the way, the Tampa Bay (formerly St Pete) Times is Florida's largest newspaper, the Sentinel is the second. Jacona (talk) 13:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:35, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 23:00, 9 February 2017 (UTC) [reply]

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