Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John M. "Jack" O'Brien

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The result was delete. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:53, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John M. "Jack" O'Brien[edit]

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Not notable (doesn't pass WP:GNG), in addition to a lack of sources. RileyBugz ^会話 _投稿記録 14:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:27, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete, as the article notes, the details of stuntmen were generally not credited or written about back in this time, so it's hard to imagine that the secondary sources that we need to write a good quality article about this person exist. That being said, I'm pretty certain it wasn't necessary for the nominator to slap this with a speedy deletion tag less than ten minutes after creation. Hopefully, User:Mikeo1122 can confirm for us whether any good secondary sources on O'Brien exist; happy to change my !vote if they do. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 03:04, 25 June 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Weak Keep On Trove I can see these newspaper references with mentions (but mostly not substantial) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article111133129 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article169030119 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article147420017 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article146319438 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article214918238 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article123234209 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article147418350 (a whole paragraph) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article180466928 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article168715570. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:57, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I am so new to this, I am not even sure how to respond to the comments above and to whom. Not sure whther to respond here or on my own mikeo1122 talk page. Anyway I see that my first draft of information for the article on Silent actor Jack O'Brien got some critiques, which is fine, because I have barely started on this article. This is only about 20% of info I have on him, not to mention hundreds of studio marketing shots of him as an actor. So heres what I am thinking. . . I just read where there is a Draft status you can setup. So maybe that was my mistake, trying to submit it with sketchy and incomplete info. I had planned on much more and better info, similar to what user Aoziwe suggested on my talk page, that is, sectionalising the article, for example, "Early life and education, Adult and personal life, Career, Filmography, and References". I saw those sections of course in many articles, but just wanted to get basic data in even crudely and then I would clean it up, add sections, pictures, references, etc. So I would like to know how do I convert this article to Draft status, so it doesn't get deleted prematurely, since this article is certainly a work-in-process for me? If I set it to Draft I assume it should give me lots of time to build the article without having it critiqued while still in process? Or am I on the wrong trail, setting it to Draft as I work? Mikeo1122 (talk) 03:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:48, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for failing GNG and WP:NACTOR. In the first place, stuntpeople rarely get much publicity (unless you're Yakima Canutt or Remy Julienne), so rarely merit articles. He's no exception. I can't even find him in IMDb (maybe this guy with one credit?), and they list everyone and their dog. In the second, the alleged film credits for Big Red Riding Hood and The Bride's Play are actually for John B. O'Brien, as is the credit for Thunder Island (1921) in Graeme's fifth newspaper article. A few of the articles are about the Hal Roach stuntman, but others are about a lead actor, which makes me think they're about John B. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum. Mikeo1122, you could get it made a draft, but I fear it would be a waste of time. Based on what I can see, he just doesn't qualify. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:53, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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