Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Lolley

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Lolley[edit]

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Hasnt played league football Telfordbuck (talk) 17:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Applicable guideline: Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability. If anyone can comment on whether this individual passes it or not, ping me and I'll revise my comment into a vote. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 18:11, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - he has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. @Piotrus: what you have linked above is not the applicable guideline. Giant Snowman 19:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - as has not played in fully professional league or senior international team. Fenix down (talk) 12:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – fails to meet the GNG, as there's no significant media coverage in the form of reliable sources, and also fails under the NSPORTS as he hadn't play in a fully pro league, per WP:FPL. Alex^{discussion ★} 09:30, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – He is playing in the top level semi professional league in England and has been linked with professional clubs. Rjbarre1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjbarre1 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 10 January 2014 (UTC) [reply]

Comment - @Rjbarre1:, please indicate how your comments are supported by relevant consensus at WP:NFOOTY or WP:GNG. Fenix down (talk) 13:23, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG. The article can be recreated if he plays a first-team game for a league side. The Whispering Wind (talk) 03:45, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - WP:FOOTYN requires that the player has played for "Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure.". Kidderminster Harriers is a fully professional club at a national level. While not all teams in Conference National are professional, many, if not most, are. Nfitz (talk) 03:40, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @Nfitz:, please re-read WP:FOOTYN where you will clearly see that that essay has been superceded by WP:NFOOTY which states that a player must have played in a fully professional league to have passed NFOOTY. The conference is not regarded as such. Fenix down (talk) 13:23, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've maintained for years that Conference National is mostly professional, and is close enough. Even top level teams at the highest level, don't always have 100% professionals. Top tier North American teams have started amateurs before in competitive games. Do you suggest we remove MLS? I also don't see indication that FOOTYN trumps NFOOTY, or that there is consensus on this. He's a professional player, on a fully professional team. Common sense dictates that this is good enough. That all aside, he meets WP:GNG with numerous non-routing articles such as [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] among others. Nfitz (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nfitz does not understand that WP:NFOOTY is the guideline, not WP:FOOTYN, which is an essay. The guideline states that a player must have played in "a fully professional league", not for a fully-professional club. The Conference is not fully professional (or even close at the moment), so he fails it. Number 5 7

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