Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joaquín Barañao

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. After extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of a consensus for deletion, and an apparent preference that the article be kept. The arguments for keeping the article are relatively weak. No number of books published makes an author notable, although it is implied in the arguments that these books constitute a significant or well-known body of work in certain countries. Similarly, the fact that an article has gone unchallenged for some length of time is meaningless. We have had actual outright hoax articles sit in our collection for over a decade before being discovered, and numerous very old articles on non-notable figures have been deleted after existing for years. There is, however, a penumbra of an argument here that the subject has received sufficient coverage for his work to merit inclusion, so the aforementioned concerns aside, it is impossible to wring a consensus for deletion out of this discussion. I have no reason to believe that yet another relisting will yield a different outcome. BD2412 T 04:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joaquín Barañao[edit]

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Article does not pass the WP:AUTHOR criteria for creative professionals. Honestly I don't see merits of Barañao for notability. He went to university, graduated, worked for some politicians (Andrés Allamand and Sebastián Piñera) and then wrote and published various books which are neither very novel nor cited. Dentren | ^Talk 13:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I also suggest the author may be related to Barañao, who was also a Wikipedian (user:Jbaranao). Kuatrero (talk) 17:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I received this notification in my mailbox. Since I created boths articles, my opinion is known in advance, but I accepted the invitation to discuss anyway. The proposal caught my attention, because I created the articles 4 years ago, there had been no questions in that period and in the meantime Barañao released 6 new books. Some were published in Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico and Brazil (a Portuguese translation). I do like his books. A lot. That's why I became interested and went to Wikipedia to find out more, and created the articles as there was none. But the decision on whether to keep or delete must be regardless of my personal taste, and I can't see how someone who sells thousands of books in five countries and two languages does not deserve a space in Wikipedia --El Ribereno (talk) 19:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @El Ribereno: You should disclose any potential conflict of interest. You say in the Spanish Wikipedia you are from the Los Ríos Region. Barañao worked before in the Wikilosríos project. Is there anything you have not said? --Kuatrero (talk) 19:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Kuatrero: Look, I met him. I like his books, as I mentioned. I helped in Wikilosríos (under the same username, in fact). I already said that my opinion is not neutral. Said all that, I can't see how the existence of the article depends on it. If you think that the general tone is not neutral, let's change it. But here you have someone who for a period have been one of the best selling authors in a middle-sized country, with dozens and dozens of appereances in the media (many in Argentina), whose article was not questioned when he had 4 books and now has 10. How come? --El Ribereno (talk) 14:29, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Extremely strong keep: Passes WP:AUTHOR easily. There might be a WP:BIAS problem here against non-Anglophone writers. Seems to be WP:SNOWing in July. Dr. Universe (talk) 21:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Would you bother telling us what makes this "pass WP:AUTHOR easily". I don't see them passing any. And no, there are no bias here, both Dentren and me are from Chile, apparently. --Kuatrero (talk) 06:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First of all wouldn't have seen this reply of yours if it weren't for being pinged here by a different user for a different reason. Second of all: the 10 works under the section titled "Works" on the Wikipedia page, are what allows the subject to pass NAUTHOR. Be careful not to WP:SEALION me now. The fact that you're from Chile doesn't mean that there is no WP:BIAS problem here. Dr. Universe (talk) 18:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 23:41, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ☢️ Radioactive 🎃 (talk) 10:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Universe, if we are here to do unsubstantiated claims of bias I would like to add the possible bias Barañao may have had by his political contacts, you see El Mercurio is a newspaper that is very close to Barañao's patrons. Dentren | ^Talk 13:07, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why his political contacts matter. Seems like two Chileans (yourself and Kuatrero) trying to remove a Chilean author and also making the effort to point out that the subject has political contacts, when having political contacts is not against any WP policy. Let's see what the non-Chileans say about whether to keep or delete! Dr. Universe (talk) 18:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Dentren:, now it's looking like a personal issue or something, you are losing sense of objetivity. Does he have a connection to El Mercurio through Allamand, with whom he worked a decade ago? Maybe, but the reason El Mercurio is referenced so many times is very clear: it keeps the books ranking of record in Chile, and the sole reason Barañao has an article is that he sells many books. As simple as that. You might use your influences to get an interview or two, but not to hack a national ranking. As I mentioned above, there are dozens of references in different news outlets, including many in Argentina (newspapers, radio, TV) and I can't see getting all that through dark influences --El Ribereno (talk) 23:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: In four or five years, no one challenged notability until now. What I see is that someone you might consider a confessed fan created the article. That would be the only issue. I think Barañao passes WP:AUTHOR, but above all I'm surprised by the strong divergence among the opinions expressed here. I see this debate headed toward no consensus unless we go to the substance. The possible political biases of El Mercurio are by no means an argument against notability, he has 856 ratings in Goodreads, and he also performs well in Amazon's rankings for books in Spanish. Let's focus on whether the tone is neutral and encyclopedic, but to delete it makes no sense to me. Cato censor (talk) 18:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as Baranao has multiple published works, and he has enough coverage for notability, but this article could definitely use cleaning up.Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:26, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.