Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joanna Galea (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Miss World Malta. This seems to be an acceptable compromise to everybody who has participated in this discussion. Deryck C. 16:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Joanna Galea

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Same rationale as before: Fails WP:PSEUDO and WP:ONEEVENT. There is one RS, but it offers minimally significant coverage at best, and then only in the context of the one event, and I really don't think Miss World Malta (pop. 423,000) counts as a "well-known and significant award or honor" for the purposes of WP:ANYBIO. Propose redirect to Miss World Malta.

Note: First AfD was inconclusive between deletion and merge/redirection, but with only one "keep" vote, based on IMO flawed reasoning. For this AfD, I propose redirecting to Miss World Malta (without merging the content from this page, which is minimally supported and does not suggest notability—no other winners of this pageant are covered at Miss World Malta; they might be covered there with a table at most). —swpb^T 13:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —swpb^T 13:51, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete winning a beauty competition in Malta is not enough to make someone notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 ^talk 17:57, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malta-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: NOTE that I do not consider her notable but I have been told for many years now that being a winner of a notable pageant imputes notability. So, in the interest of logic and consistency ...... Perhaps a redirect to Miss World Malta can be considered. Quis separabit? 20:01, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Told that by who? No such policy or guideline exists in any explicit form, nor should it. It's easy to conceive of a pageant that is just barely over the line into notability (like this one); to declare all its winners automatically notable on that basis is complete nonsense. —swpb^T 13:11, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, @swpb, but there it is. Just like all high schools are notable. Quis separabit? 23:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where what is? First of all, all high schools are not notable, and secondly, that's a complete non-sequitur. You apparently know that this article doesn't belong here, but you vote "keep" to maintain "consistency" with a standard that doesn't exist. Keep in mind that AfD isn't a ballot—your reasoning has to actually make some sense to count for anything. —swpb^T 12:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@swpb: Sorry to end on that note yesterday. My session at the library ended and I had to edit to save what I had written. As far as beauty pageants go, I had nominated certain pageant winners I deemed non-notable and the AfDs were keep as I was informed that beauty pageant winners are considered notable, although obviously not at all levels, but statewide or countrywide seemed to apply (see [1], [2]).

As far as high schools go (see [3], [4]), I have been told for years that all high schools are considered notable and I am sure I am correct. Sorry for it being an apparent non sequitir but I was trying to say I agree with you (to a certain point, anyway) and comparing the pageant issue with the high school issue, but that may have been a mistaken comparison, so sorry about that. Quis separabit? 16:16, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where are you getting "all high schools are considered notable" or "pageant winners are considered notable"? Certainly not in the links you gave, which confirm that WP:RS and WP:V are non-negotiable. If anyone ever tells you that all anything are always notable, they're completely wrong. All the topic-specific guides can do is suggest that some types of articles have good chance of being notable; they never excuse articles from the need for WP:RS and WP:V. You really ought to consider changing your "vote", unless you have a completely different basis to support a "keep". —swpb^T 18:23, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@swpb: What about THIS?? Quis separabit? 18:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please read that entire guideline. If you can't be bothered to read, I can't be bothered to keep talking to you. —swpb^T 18:38, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete My sweeps suggest there is not much for this person, so going by the WP:GNG, I'll have to say delete, or maybe do the redirect as suggested above, to Miss World Malta.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:51, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We do indeed consider all high schools with a verified existence notable--essentially all deletions in the last 4 or 5 years have been ones where there is doubt about the real existence or the nature of the school, because WP:V is indeed basic policy. As for guidelines, we make guidelines by what we do consistently as well as what we write down, so it is a guideline in practice -- strictly speaking not that they are' notable , but that we will treat them as notable. But there is no rational way that this can be carried over to any other topic without a discussion. It might be reasonable to assert it as a parallel in an argument that all churches were notable, tho we do have not accepted that. It is not reasonable to use it in argument about people, not institutions, and in a totally unrelated subject. We might want to decide that all winners such as this are going to be considered notable, but we would need to 1/make a relevant argument, and 2/ get it accepted by consensus, explicitly or in practice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs)

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