Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joachim Koester

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Pastordavid (talk) 19:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joachim Koester

I fear that the subject of this article might be non-notable, as it seems like a resume, is filled with weasel words and has some un-encyclopedic information. Marlith (Talk) 23:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Withdrawn by nominator[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Denmark-related deletion discussions. -- Beloved Freak 23:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- Beloved Freak 23:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak~~ Keep for now - finalist for Hugo Boss Prize and maybe Nurmberg Kunsthalle solo exhibition suggest he is notable. A few more press refs would be welcome. I removed the contact details; otherwise the text seems harmless, now anyway. Johnbod (talk) 23:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Artist's work has been exhibted in several notable museums and a finalist for the Hugo Boss Prize clinches it. The article could use some more resources but there is already enough independent verifiable coverage from multiple sources to establish notability.Insearchofintelligentlife (talk) 01:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per prize finalist. matt91486 (talk) 02:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The links in the article show clear notability for multiple solo exhibitions at major galleries. The Hugo Boss prize nomination is the icing on the cake, and I've put a reference for that in the article in case anyone still doubts notability. Also I don't see any weasel words as claimed by the nominator, but if there are any they can be removed by editing, as the unencyclopedic content has been - that's not a reason for deletion. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~. It appears: low quality external links; Poorly sourced (reliable third-party sources?); Wikipedia:Notability, is Joachim Koester notable? Support Nom. Master Redyva (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Since when was the New York Times not regarded as a reliable third-party source? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The New York Times is a wonderful and reliable source. The reference only refers to the nominations for Hugo Boss Prize. External Links appear to be studios or info about exhibits. I wonder if this could fall into WP:NOT#MYSPACE. Master Redyva (talk) 19:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After review, Master Redyva votes Keep, but article reads (badly) like a resume and needs mucho cleanup. (Redyva's Opinion Spot) 21:56, April 23, 2008 (UTC)

Strong Delete. Subject of this article non-notable; needs more press refs. SameDayService (talk) 17:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Here are 56 more press refs, and if that's not enough here are 83 refs in books and here are 15 in academic papers. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. "clothing company art award" winner? for what? Article is un-encyclopedic and subject is non-notable. La-Leg Lawyer (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oddly enough, this is the editor who added the contact details [1] Johnbod (talk) 19:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It's a "clothing company art award" which happens to be widely covered in the press and to come with a $100000 prize. If it's notable it's notable, whoever the sponsor. I always try to assume good faith so I'll try to dismiss my feeling that there may be a little jealousy creeping into this discussion. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Did you even look at the Hugo Boss Prize link and see who has been nominated and who has won in the past? This is a major award. freshacconcispeaktome 21:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The award is not the issue. And Mr. Koester is no Matthew Barney or Marjetica Potrč, much less a Laurie Anderson or a Christoph Büchel. SameDayService (talk) 21:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Actually, the award is the issue. He was nominated for a major award (and one that hasn't been awarded yet, so he may win). That is notable. We're not comparing him to Matthew Barney et al, or deciding who's the better artist. But being nominated in that company makes those artists his peers. freshacconcispeaktome 21:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I hope he loses so he can be noted for losing a clothing art award (Hugo Money Award). Is that wrong? La-Leg Lawyer (talk) 00:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He's a finalist for the Hugo Boss Prize. An article was written about him by Hal Foster in Artforum. A quick look at his cv shows multiple museum exhibitions and that he's in multiple museum collections. He's notable: the article needs to be improved, not deleted. freshacconcispeaktome 21:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep article needs work, but should be okay...Modernist (talk) 23:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Prize finalist, and the prize itself along with the nominations are obviously relevant enough to be mentioned in the New York Times. Which is quite something, to be honest. --Catgut (talk) 04:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Venice Biennale [2] and museum exhibitions[3] along with other mentions noted above puts this artist well above WP:BIO. Article reads like a resume and needs much cleanup. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 17:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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